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    #21

    Mar 24, 2009, 05:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Fred:

    I'd heard that before.. So, I put it to the test....

    I want sex right now. I don't have a condom. I ran out to the drug store and bought a condom. I held it tightly in my hand and thought really hard.... But, I didn't want sex any more WITH a condom, than I did WITHOUT one.

    Maybe you have a different experience. Or, maybe you just believe the crap you're told. I dunno.

    excon
    EX, you set yourself up too easily :D

    You need a partner





    G&P
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    Apr 1, 2009, 05:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by cozyk View Post
    It's not that condoms replace education. It's not that condoms replace moral judgment. It's just that it is a VERY stupid thing to not encourage , even DIScourage the use of condoms when they could save lives of those not privy to the education or moral aptitude.
    If we were encouraging sex without condoms, it would be stupid.

    But we aren't. We encourage abstinence. That is the only sure way to avoid sexually transmitted disease.
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    Apr 1, 2009, 05:53 PM
    This has probably already been posted here, I just thought I'd try to elicit some responses. This is Fred's OP on another discussion:

    Harvard scientist: Those mocking pontiff's stand are wrong


    Posted: March 23, 2009
    9:58 pm Eastern
    By Drew Zahn
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily
    A senior Harvard research scientist confirmed that Pope Benedict XVI, who endured heavy criticism for declaring that condom distribution programs worsen the AIDS epidemic in Africa, was actually correct.
    Dr. Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development
    Studies, told National Review Online last week that despite AIDS activists and media outlets pounding the pope for downplaying the effectiveness of condoms, the science actually supports the Catholic leader's claim.
    "The pope is correct," Green told NRO, "or put it a better way, the best evidence we have supports the pope's comments."
    "There is," Green added, "a consistent association shown by our best studies, including the U.S.-funded 'Demographic Health Surveys,' between greater availability and use of condoms and higher (not lower) HIV-infection rates. This may be due in part to a phenomenon known as risk compensation, meaning that when one uses a risk-reduction 'technology' such as condoms, one often loses the benefit (reduction in risk) by 'compensating' or taking greater chances than one would take without the risk-reduction technology."
    Aboard a plane traveling to Yaounde, Cameroon, last week, a French reporter told Benedict that the Catholic approach to combating AIDS – encouraging monogamy within marriage and abstinence before – was often considered unrealistic and ineffective.
    According to transcripts released by the Vatican, Benedict responded, "This problem of AIDS cannot be overcome merely with money, necessary though it is. If there is no human dimension, if Africans do not help [by responsible behavior], the problem cannot be overcome by the distribution of prophylactics: on the contrary, they increase it."
    Benedict immediately came under fire in the international press for proclaiming just what Green says the studies support: Encouraging fidelity in sexual relations decreases the spread of AIDS, and condom distribution programs increase it.
    (Story continues below)
    Rebecca Hodes, head of policy, communications and research for the Treatment Action Campaign in South Africa, blasted the pope for not advocating wide access to condoms as a means of combating AIDS.
    "His opposition to condoms conveys that religious dogma is more important to him than the lives of Africans," Hodes told the Associated Press.
    Learn how Americans have been sold the idea that what earlier generations condemned now is good, in the best-selling "The Marketing of Evil"
    "We call on the Pope to revisit the teachings on condoms with a view to lifting the ban at the earliest possible moment," said Jon O'Brien, president of Catholics for Choice. "In his review, we want him to include experts who are unequivocal that condoms do in fact help prevent the spread of HIV."
    Syndicated columnist Roland Martin writes on CNN.com that the pope's position demonstrated "ignorance of reality."
    "For the church," Martin writes, "to continue to ignore the definitive research that condoms play a huge role in decreasing the spread of HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases is mind-boggling."
    Even the Vatican, according to a report in the London Times, backtracked slightly on the pope's remarks, adding a word to Benedict's remarks, stating he said distribution of condoms merely "risked" increasing the spread of AIDS.
    According to Green, however, the pope's critics have bought into a common myth about condoms and AIDS.
    "We have found no consistent associations between condom use and lower HIV-infection rates," said Green, "which, 25 years into the pandemic, we should be seeing if this intervention was working."
    Instead, Green noted, the pope's encouragement of Africans toward monogamous sexual relationships has proven to be a much more effective strategy:
    "The best and latest empirical evidence indeed shows that reduction in multiple and concurrent sexual partners is the most important single behavior change associated with reduction in HIV-infection rates," Green said.
    In Uganda, according to a report in Science magazine, teaching about AIDS and promoting monogamy has led to a dramatic turnaround in the country's AIDS epidemic.
    "Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is preventable if populations are mobilized to avoid risk," states the report's summary. "Despite limited resources, Uganda has shown a 70 percent decline in HIV prevalence since the early 1990s, linked to a 60 percent reduction in casual sex. The response in Uganda appears to be distinctively associated with communication about [AIDS] through social networks. Despite substantial condom use and promotion of biomedical approaches, other African countries have shown neither similar behavioral responses nor HIV prevalence declines of the same scale. The Ugandan success is equivalent to a vaccine of 80 percent effectiveness."
    Green further told NRO, "More and more AIDS experts are coming to accept the above. The two countries with the worst HIV epidemics, Swaziland and Botswana, have both launched campaigns to discourage multiple and concurrent partners, and to encourage fidelity."
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    Apr 1, 2009, 09:02 PM
    De Maria,
    Thanks for posting that.
    It needs to be seen by many in different places.
    Fred

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