[excon]

SCHIP ; Medicare Part B drug entitlement , NCLB were all major Democrat initiatives he signed into law.

Hello again, tom:

He vetoed SCHIP. Medicare Part "D", the prescription drug entitlement, is a BIGGER gift to the pharmaceutical companies than to the elderly. And, I don't know what NCLB is.

excon

[tomder55]

NCLB no child left behind

He only vetoed increases in SCHIP .He signed the extension to the bill Jan last year.

No matter what your opinion about the Drug entitlement (I opposed it ) . He worked closely with the Dems to get it passed .

He also sided with the Dems on immigration reform .

[speechlesstx]

There's a new sheriff in town. He understand bi-partisanship - SOOO much so, that he offered a tax cut compromise BEFORE he even started negotiating.

As I showed before the Dems not only shut out the other side they shut out their own. They're trying to ram a bloated bill crafted by a few elite down our throats, they aren't even listening to their own members.

P.S. It's amazing how quickly the tide has turned from slamming those free spending Republicans to embracing a trillion dollars in government spending... on top of everything else we'll already spend.

[tomder55]

Here are campaign pledges Obama made during the campaign that would have a positive immediate economic impact

Give a tax break to 95% of Americans.

Give American businesses a $3,000 tax credit for every job they create in the U.S.

Eliminate capital gains taxes for small business and startup companies

Expand the child and dependent care tax credit.

Expand the earned income tax credit.

Create a small business health tax credit.

Provide a $500 "make work pay" tax credit to small businesses.

Provide a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to families.

Go through the budget, line by line, ending programs we don't need and making the ones we do need work better and cost less.

Slash earmarks.

Even his creating 5 million green jobs would be better than the garbage in the bucketlist .

[speechlesstx]

He also said this in his inaugural address, "On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear."

Just words...

[inthebox]

Hello tom:

Does that mean the president shouldn't warn us of impending danger????

Or, do you mean that Obama should IGNORE the danger???

Or, do you mean the president should only SCARE us when he's telling the truth, like the dufus? (snicker, snicker)

Or, is it that YOU don't believe Obama?

I actually dunno WHAT you're saying....

excon

Ha ha ha ,

Do you need the POTUS to tell you or the American public that the economy is not so hot?

That is pretty condescending.

Certainly a leader would have empathy to those suffering now and the same time have a vision, a plan that speaks of a better future, but Obama is just like any number of pundits screaming the sky is falling - all to promote a political agenda.

I think Obama is failing those who "believe" in him, that is unless you believe cabinet members should not pay taxes... Some change:confused:




G&P

[tomder55]

Here are amendments that were dropped from the bill today as they furiously "compromise " over the bill's provisions in an effort for a bipartisan solution :

An amendment by Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) to cut $47 billion in wasteful spending.

An amendment by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) cut corporate and individual income taxes and repeal the AMT.

An amendment by Sen. John Thune (R-SD) to require funding for all projects in the bill occur within one year.

An amendment by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to require spending cuts and a move to a balanced budget once the economy recovers.

An amendment by Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) to cut $5.2 billion in pet projects and replace it with the same amount of defense spending.

An amendment by Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) to cut the tax rate for the lowest tax bracket in half.

An amendment by Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) to repeal the 1993 Social Security tax increase.

And, a McCain amendment to strike the “Buy American” provision from the bill.

Voinovich has dropped out of the negotiations in disgust leaving a total of 3 Republicans left in the bipartisan coalition Snowe;Collins ,and Specter .I doubt Specter will vote for the bill so the Republican bipartisans are the 2 RINOS from Maine.

[speechlesstx]

As often as I've heard about the Republicans being "out of touch" with average Americans in the past 8 years you'd think the Dems would at least pretend they get it. Obviously peeved with any effort at bipartisanship on the "stimulus" plan, Madame Pelosi said “Washington seems consumed in the process argument of bipartisanship, when the rest of the country says they need this bill." She said this of course while on "the second day of her retreat with House Democrats at a swank Williamsburg, Va., golf resort."

While the economy is supposedly about to go over the cliff, "500 million" Americans are losing their jobs every month, Hopenchange and the promised bipartisanship are floundering, House Democrats are having drinks at a swank golf resort and whining about someone expecting a little input and accountability on this massive package.

Furthermore, she thinks cuts in education money in this "very carefully" crafted bill “will do violence to the future.” The bill has $88.6 million for new construction for Milwaukee schools, "even though the district has 15 vacant school buildings, a large surplus of property and no plans for new construction."

She also thinks Obama's counterattack, politics of fear, is a "fresh approach." Just a couple of months ago the politics of fear was an abomination.

[George_1950]

Ah yes, do as I say and not as I do:
"'A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe.' -- President Obama, Feb. 4. Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared 'we have chosen hope over fear.' Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill." washingtonpost.com

[galveston]

"This is the worst economy since the Great Depression"
That mantra was started early in the campaign and the whores in the media shouted it at the tops of their lungs.
It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy as citizens hold off on those purchases, and business men don't spend on expansion and hiring.
Now we are supposed to throw a train load of money that we don't have at a problem caused by the Dems, which money will NOT solve the problem of lost confidence.
Remember Jimmy Carter's answer to inflation? Everyone wear a "WIN" button!!
Obama is already in over his head. A Carter re-run.

[tomder55]

It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy as citizens hold off on those purchases, and business men don't spend on expansion and hiring.

Exactly ;that's is why competent Presidents cheerlead the economy

[George_1950]

"Mr. Obama is using ever-heightening hyperbole to hammer home his message. But the strategy brings great risk for the 'Yes, We Can' man, who just three weeks ago told America in his inaugural address that despite 'a sapping of confidence across our land,' his election meant Americans had 'chosen hope over fear.'

"'Mr. Hope has to be careful not to become Dr. Doom,' said Frank Luntz, a political consultant and author of the book 'Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear.'"
Washington Times - 'Doom' rhetoric seen by some as 'not presidential'

[excon]

Hello again, George:

"Those who presided over the last eight years, (the eight years that brought us to the point where we inherit trillions of dollars of deficit, and an economy that's collapsing more rapidly than at any time in the last 50 years), don't seem to me in a strong position to lecture about the lessons of history."

Larry Summers said that. He's right, of course.

I WILL agree, however, about the communications. Obama, the great communicator, while busy standing behind his tax cheats, gave up the red meat to the Republicans, and they ran with it.

excon

[tomder55]

Trillions ? We are looking at a potential $9.7 trillion in bailout money alone ! Enough to pay off most of the mortgages in the country ! Not sure if this includes the additional money Geitner will request this week for the banks.

And that's before the Dems submit a regular omnibus spending bill. That's where they really plan on expanding the size of government .

[excon]

And that's before the Dems submit a regular omnibus spending bill. That's where they really plan on expanding the size of government .

Hello again, tom:

BIGGER than the dufus expanded the government?? Wasn't the dufus a champion of the same kind of financial drek you're posting here? Didn't he do the exact opposite?? Yes he DID!

How can your arguments be taken seriously?

excon

[speechlesstx]

I'm sure tom will have his say but you seem to be under the impression lately that we've been inconsistent a lot. When someone has been against "financial drek" no matter who's responsible it's easy to take their argument seriously.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Not YOU guys. YOU guys are the GOOD right wingers. The thing is, George W. Bush was a good right winger too, until he caved... The dufus was a real STAUNCH right winger too - and he caved.

I suppose the fear is that EVEN the right wing itself knows that it's deregulation policy and non government interference in the marketplace policy was wrong, but it doesn't have anything else to offer...

How else can you explain why the dufus bailed out the banks instead of letting 'em fail?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Ex, maybe you should first clarify then what "your arguments" means.

Here's something else to consider IN ADDITION to the stimulus and the omnibus spending bill, even the NY Times admits that TARP II is likely to cost "far more than the stimulus package."

How many trillions should we spend?

[George_1950]

Hello again, Steve:

Not YOU guys. YOU guys are the GOOD right wingers. The thing is, George W. Bush was a good right winger too, until he caved... The dufus was a real STAUNCH right winger too - and he caved...How else can you explain why the dufus bailed out the banks instead of letting 'em fail?

excon

You ignore 'Compassionate Conservatism', completely. The Bush implosion of the Republican Party didn't begin with the Wall Street bail-out.

[tomder55]

As bad as some of the spending was under the Bush terms ;Federal Spending for Dog parks and Frisby golf courses ratchets it up to levels before unseen .

Look at the site Steve and I have referenced
Stimulus Watch: Keeping an Eye on Economic Recovery Spending

There are plenty of projects that can be considered legitimate spending for stimulus . There are also many that would be worthy of debate under normal budgetary process to consider .

All I'm saying is that if there wasn't this rush to get a bill out by an artificial deadline set by POTUS, that a true stimulus package that would probably help could be constructed for no where's near what is being proposed.