[NeedKarma]

Wow, look at the results of that survey as it relates to republicans:

[speechlesstx]

Your claim that Obama is against our children learning math and science was a farce. BTW I don't know anything about Sarah Palin banning books, but I do know the she is the governor of Alaska and that State has one of the highest student drop-out rates, if not the highest in the whole US. You've resorted to making excuses and pointing fingers at the Dems, yet I'm the one that proved you wrongful for your accusation.

I'd like to see the data on this claim about Alaska's dropout rate because all I've seen are rumors and rhetoric. I have seen where California posted a 24 percent dropout rate and only 71% of students graduate high school. The official report to the feds shows 8% for Alaska (pdf).

As for my "farce," it's a part of Obama's campaign (pdf):

Barack Obama calls his years working as a community organizer in Chicago’s South Side the best education he ever had. He believes that all students should serve their communities. Studies show that students who participate in service-learning programs do better in school, are more likely to graduate high school and go to
College, and are more likely to become active, engaged citizens. Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities. The Obama-Biden plan sets a goal for all students to engage in service, with middle and high school students performing 50 hours of service each year, and college students performing 100 hours of service each year.
Under this plan, students would graduate college with as many as 17 weeks of public service experience under their belts.

Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation’s Schools: In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months. They will develop national guidelines for service-learning and community service programs, and will give schools better tools both to develop successful programs and to document the experience of students at all levels. They will encourage programs that engage with community partners to expand opportunities for community service and service-learning opportunities, so that students can apply what they learn in the classroom to authentic situations that help the community. These programs will also involve citizens from the community engaging students in service opportunities through the Classroom Corps.

Sounds nice doesn't it? It's exactly what I said, develop a bunch of little activists.

[speechlesstx]

Wow, look at the results of that survey as it relates to republicans:

What would be more telling is to ask the pollers the same type of questions about white evangelical Republicans. Or just how about you? Which of these would you use to describe them?

Kind
Compassionate
Generous
Hard working
Intelligent
Overbearing
Intolerant
Bigoted
Dumb as a rock
Knuckle dragging neanderthals
Should all be in a prison camp

[NeedKarma]

Hello strawman, how are you?

[speechlesstx]

Hello strawman, how are you?

I'm just fine thank you. Why is it a strawman? I think the answers would be much more revealing than the other stupid poll.

[NeedKarma]

Oh, it's a stupid poll now? The one you used to illustrate your point earlier?

Here's the definition of strawman argument:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute, then attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position. While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

[speechlesstx]

Oh, it's a stupid poll now? The one you used to illustrate your point earlier?

Details, NK. Remember? I first called it a racist poll - and that's about as stupid as it gets. The "fact" I suggested to Bobby that should be a concern remains, the left's own stupid, racist poll showed a significant number of bigots in the party of tolerance and diversity. What is says about Republicans is no surprise, everyone knows we're racists - because the left says so.

And thanks for the definition - as if I needed help. The problem with your claim is I didn't "attribute that position to the opponent." I asked you to answer for yourself.

[NeedKarma]

What is says about Republicans is no surprise, everyone knows we're racists - because the left says so.

Actually those responses are from republicans pollees. It has nothing to do with views of "the left".

[speechlesstx]

Actually those responses are from republicans pollees. It has nothing to do with views of "the left".

LOL, you still don't get it. The poll was designed to get the answers they wanted, and the answer the left always wants is that white Republicans are bigots. To their surprise I'm sure, it showed a significant number of Democrats are bigots. Obama could get derailed by the bigots in his own party and independents.

[inthebox]

Who injects race ? The left

Ky. poll suggests race a factor - State - Kentucky.com

The telephone survey conducted for the left-leaning political blog Daily Kos ...

The telephone survey was conducted by Research 2000, a polling firm in Olney, Md. that routinely conducts polls for the Lexington Herald-Leader.

In the presidential race, McCain leads Obama by 18 points, 55 percent to 37 percent.

Del Ali, president of Research 2000, said he thinks much of Obama's problem in Kentucky is related to his skin color.

"In polls in other states, Obama usually gets at least 40 percent of the white votes, but not in Kentucky," Ali said.

Sixty-two percent of white respondents said they would vote for McCain and 31 percent for Obama. Among black respondents, 4 percent favored McCain and 87 percent Obama.


"I would not say I believe that Obama would be leading in the state if he were white, but the figures show that most Kentuckians aren't ready to vote for a black for president," said Joe Gershtenson, director of Eastern Kentucky University's Center for Kentucky History and Politics,

The numbers speak to the fact that whites are more likely to vote for a black president, 31% Obama, than blacks are to vote for a white president, McCain 4%.

Now which side is more "racist?":confused:

[NeedKarma]

Now which side is more "racist?":confused:

Blacks?

[BABRAM]

Who injects race ? the left

Ky. poll suggests race a factor - State - Kentucky.com

The numbers speak to the fact that whites are more likely to vote for a black president, 31% Obama, than blacks are to vote for a white president, McCain 4%.

Now which side is more "racist?":confused:

Blacks that voted in every previous presidential elections voted for the White candidate 100% of the time. How about that stat? Albeit, however small or large, "race" is part of this election and I refuse to wear rose colored glasses no matter how many posts end up being removed. I think it's good to acknowledge that fact. You can't inject something that's already there. There is an element of our society, a small percentage of Whites, that will not vote for Barack Obama because he is of a darker skin tone than their own forefathers. We've had a 200 year run on Caucasians being elected President in the US and for the first time EVER, Blacks have had a person of their own heritage in the party of their choice, that being Democratic party, in which African Americans have been registered in higher percentages for fifty years. My only advise to the Black community, is to vote for Barack Obama not because he's bi-racially part Black, but they accept him as the better candidate on issues important to our country on the whole. And I do think most Blacks are voting for Obama on the issues (there's plenty of good valid reasons not to vote for John McCain). BTW Catholics back in 1960 voted in droves for John Kennedy. And this time I fully expect the majority of multimillionaires to vote John McCain. That's just the reality of it.

[tomder55]

There is an element of our society, a small percentage of Whites, that will not vote for Barack Obama because he is of a darker skin tone than their own forefathers.

And there are at least and equal amt. of whites that would vote for him because of his color.
You want to take off your rose colored glasses ? How's this dose of reality ? If Obama had been a "white " backbencher with less than a term's experience and little accomplishment in his public career he would not have been seriously considered in the primaries ;in fact it is doubtful he would've been allowed on stage in the debates.

[BABRAM]

If Obama had been a "white " backbencher with less than a term's experience and little acomplishment in his public career he would not have been seriously considered in the primaries ;in fact it is doubtful he would've been allowed on stage in the debates.

Tom D. Errr... Well what a surprise! We disagree! I find your remark hypocritical and with a racist undertone. For the record, Obama's just as qualified and educated than most candidates, white or otherwise. In fact John McCain has less education and has exactly the same record of presidential experience as Barack Obama---zero! And had John McCain been a Black man spewing off his Republican view on the issues, he wouldn't had the near the support of Barack Obama.

And there are at least and equal amt. of whites that would vote for him because of his color.
You want to take off your rose colored glasses ? How's this dose of reality ?

I let you borrow my pair. Your glasses are held together by a band-aid with one lens so warped that you stumble in broad daylight. ;)