[RickJ]

Where you add the Palin connection I don't know.

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You don't know? Really? You don't know about Palin's lipstick comment?

Here you go:



She just said it last week.

Where are the complaints that McCain was insulting anyone? There are none.

Why is Obama's statement the ONLY news today? Because he said it to insult Palin.

Smart Obama supporters are recognizing how stupid his comment was.

[NeedKarma]

Holy crap are you ever making a reach to make a link.

[speechlesstx]

Whatever, NK. Try this then since you're so upset withn the GOP attack machine. NY Gov. David Paterson is basically calling Republicans racists:

“I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama ‘black’ in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention – a ‘community organizer.’ They kept saying it, they kept laughing,” he said.

[ETWolverine]

Here's my take.

1) IF it was an intentional insult, it was a pretty stupid thing to do. Middle America will not respond well to Obama insulting Palin.

2) If it was not intentional, he should have apologized for any misunderstanding he may have caused, and stated that he didn't mean it as an insult, but rather her was just repeating an old political cliché. Instead of doing that in his statement this morning, he went on the attack, which just fuels the flames all the more. Another bad political move that Middle America will not respond well to.

3) I personally think it WAS an intentional insult. Obama followed up the lipstick on a pig statement with a comment about "old fish" being wrapped in new paper... a clear reference to McCain as an "Old timer" in the senate. Given these two OBVIOUS references, along with BIDEN'S remarks about lipstick, it seems clear to me that the insults were intentional. Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.

Palin's response ought to be something along the lines of "Senator Obama is right. You can't dress up a 'community organizer' with lipstick and have it look like real experience."

[BABRAM]

Lipstick! Schmipstick! Political dipsticks! I would hope that once a few of the board Pubs here can get passed their biases they'll eventually recognize they've championed an illogical silly argument.

Palin remarked that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull was lipstick. So is that to suggest all hockey moms are pit bulls with lipstick? Think about that. According to Sarah Palin, all hockey moms are dogs. Now Obama, on the other hand compared the Republican campaign to a pig with lipstick for their laughable ploy to promote themselves as change.

[ETWolverine]

Holy crap are you ever making a reach to make a link.

Karma, even Obama's people see the connection. They are afraid of that connection, and how it is perceived by the people at large. THat is why they are scrambling so hard to claim that there was no intentional insult, the entire thing is a farce, and there is no connection.

If there were really no connection, their response would be to either ignore the accusations or to apologize for the misinterpretation. They can't do either of those two things because there is a connection, it's an obvious connection, and they now have to scramble for damage control.

Besides, to a certain degree, it doesn't really matter whether there was an intentional insult or not. All that matters is how the American people see it, and based on what I have been hearing and seeing in the news, Americans perceive that there IS a connection and that it was an underhanded insult by Obama and Biden. ANd based on the laughter and cheers by the audience at Obama's speech, THEY certainly made the connection.

It's all about perception, baby. And right now perception is in McCain and Palin's favor.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

... because there is a connection, it's an obvious connection,

No it's not, it's manufactured and hyped

Bamram has a point - will Palin apoligize to all the hockey moms?

[speechlesstx]

It wasn't just the audience laughter that makes the connection (though that's what makes Obama look bad), it was that they chanted "No pit bull! No pit bull! No pit bull!." Even the ultra-liberal Washington Post sees that connection, so give it up, you can't spin you're way out of this.

[ETWolverine]

Bamram has a point - will Palin apoligize to all the hockey moms?

For calling them pit bulls?

I hope not. Hockey Moms LIKE being known for their feistiness.

You know who first made the joke that Palin told about hockey moms and pit bulls?

A hockey mom.

That hockey mom line has resounded and resonated with the American people more than any single line in this election cycle. The people LIKE it. ESPECIALLY the hockey moms.

Obama's line has also resounded and resonated with the people... but I'm not so sure that they are too happy with it.

But if you think that Obama has nothing to apologize for, good. Go with that. We'll know the truth in November. Personally, I'm hoping Obama sticks to his guns on this. It'll do wonders for his public image.

Oh, and Palin wasn't saying that hockey moms are pit bulls without lipstick. She was saying that they are pit bulls WITH lip stick. And after saying it, McCain and Palin took a 20% lead among American women. So you tell me if there's anything to apologize for.

Elliot

[speechlesstx]

Elliot, The Messiah (or is it the Virgin Mary) is perfect so he has nothing to apologize for. Obama is just doing the Lord's work according to his mentor Jeremiah Wright.

"Lord told him, an ordinary black boy, ‘You can be a state senator and you can bring folk to the bargaining table who not only do not talk to one another, these folk don’t like one another.’

"He did what the Lord said," Mr. Wright continued, "an ordinary black boy like Mary was an ordinary little girl."

[BABRAM]

Just a note before the Pubs messiah rhetoric begins: no matter what idioms are being bantered about today, I would not suggest going up to "hockey mom" and calling her a dog. There's a very good chance that "hockey dad" will become highly irritated.

Politics, Political News, Campaign 2008 - Politico.com

"the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run."

[NeedKarma]

Elliot, The Messiah (or is it the Virgin Mary)

Hint: there is no messiah and there is no virgin mary. Keep your discussions to reality not fantasy.

[speechlesstx]

Hint: there is no messiah and there is no virgin mary. Keep your discussions to reality not fantasy.

Maybe this will help. Pot calling the kettle black

[speechlesstx]

Just a note before the Pubs messiah rhetoric begins: no matter what idioms are being bantered about today, I would not suggest going up to "hockey mom" and calling her a dog. There's a very good chance that "hockey dad" will become highly irritated.

You mean like Obama? I can't fault any man for defending his wife, Bobby.

[DonaldM_23]

Well the republican are trying so hard to play the race card, to the point obama has to be very choosy on what he says. He is fighting for the presidency position in no way was his remark offensive or discrimintive. GO OBAMA

[Galveston1]

Well the republican are trying so hard to play the race card, to the point obama has to be very choosy on what he says. He is fighting for the presidency postion in no way was his remark offensive or discrimintive. GO OBAMA

Are you acquainted with his connections to the Syrian bankroller, the Weathermen underground terrorists, and the Rev. Wright?

[DonaldM_23]

Nope, are you..

[Galveston1]

Nope, are you.......?

That figures!

[inthebox]

Wow!

With unemployment, healthcare issues, energy issues, OIF, OEF, the gov bailing out corporations etc...

And this gets public play?

[BABRAM]

You mean like Obama? I can't fault any man for defending his wife, Bobby.

Then you better not call "hockey mom" a dog, as Palin suggested. By the way when did Obama's daughters start playing hockey??