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    Sep 5, 2008, 07:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by CHRISTOPHEROBIN
    What church did jesus establish? As far as i know, there was no church only the people.
    Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Matthew 18 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

    Since Jesus only claimed to establish one Church. And since He only referred people to one Church. And since He said that His Church would not fail, I believe that the Church still exists today.

    And since history proves that the Catholic Church is the oldest Church, I believe that Church is Christ's Church.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria
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    Sep 5, 2008, 10:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by De Maria
    Matthew 16 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Matthew 18 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

    Since Jesus only claimed to establish one Church. And since He only referred people to one Church. And since He said that His Church would not fail, I believe that the Church still exists today.

    And since history proves that the Catholic Church is the oldest Church, I believe that Church is Christ's Church.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria
    The Church is that body of people who follow Jesus in obedience to His known will. To say that the Catholic church is that church ignores all the terrible things that denomination has been responsible for down through the centuries. If you want to get right down to it, the Catholic church can trace several ideas back to ancient Babylon. I'm not particularly bashing Catholicism, but pointing out that a long denominational history does not prove anything more than longevity.
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