[NeedKarma]

Being a pastor and screwing your male meth dealer is disturbing as well. Lots of disturbing stuff around big fella.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

You point out the reasons we should get rid of all these peephole laws. Because we know, that everybody is going to break them - cause everybody likes to screw.

So, we can get rid of the politicians, or we can get rid of the traps.

If it were left to me, I don't want politicains who don't diddle. It ain't natural.

excon

[Dark_crow]

Larry Craig must be the smarter of the two; he gets for free what Spitzer pays four grand for. :D

[excon]

Hello again, DC:

So, you can't distinguish between a beautiful, young, sophisticated, 5' 5", 105 lb knockout chick, from a scum bag, bum, DUDE hanging around a mens toilet?

Please, don't ever ask me out to dinner.

excon

[Dark_crow]

Shame on you Excon, you’re confusing anticipation with satisfaction. Larry Craig apparently didn’t need the ‘anticipation,’ just the satisfaction. While Spitzer pays four grand for ‘anticipation.’ There is however something to be said for ‘A meal well prepared.’:D

[NeedKarma]

You don't think Larry planned to look for a gay sex partner in the men's room? You believe that it was all a "wide-stance" mistake?

[speechlesstx]

Being a pastor and screwing your male meth dealer is disturbing as well. Lots of disturbing stuff around big fella.

It is disturbing, but I'm not talking about Haggard. Perhaps you'll eventually address the issues I raise instead of deflecting to something else, eh?

[tomder55]

DC makes a good point about expectations :

From the 'Movie Stanger than fiction"
Dr. Jules Hilbert: Hell Harold, you could just eat nothing but pancakes if you wanted.
Harold Crick: What is wrong with you? Hey, I don't want to eat nothing but pancakes, I want to live! I mean, who in their right mind in a choice between pancakes and living chooses pancakes?
Dr. Jules Hilbert: Harold, if you pause to think, you'd realize that that answer is inextricably contingent upon the type of life being led... and, of course, the quality of the pancakes.

Excon .Does it not matter that most prostitutes are not really doing their job by choice ? Even the ones in states where it is legal they are very much an abused worker.

"No other workplace has to cover the range of health and safety issues that ensue from this sexual and economic exchange. Together with STIs [Sexually Transmitted Infections], verbal abuse, battering, sexual harassment and violence, rape and unwanted pregnancies are recognised occupational health and safety risks within the prostitution industry. This does not change because prostitution is legalised."

[Mary Sullivan, Ph.D., author, of the 2005 report "What Happens When Prostitution Becomes Work?"]

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

You point out the reasons we should get rid of all these peephole laws. Because we know, that everybody is going to break them - cause everybody likes to screw.

So, we can get rid of the politicians, or we can get rid of the traps.

We don't know that at all ex, everybody doesn't break them.

If it were left to me, I don't want politicains who don't diddle. It ain't natural.

Alrighty then, that still does nothing to solve the problem of hypocritical crusaders. Whether our politicians diddle is not something I give much thought to. Whether they have integrity is.

[NeedKarma]

Is anyone here saying that prostitution is a valid job choice? I missed that part.

[tomder55]

If it was a Republican then there would be a chorus of bleeting chortle here .

[tomder55]

Is anyone here saying that prostitution is a valid job choice? I missed that part.

Indeed you did miss it. Excon defended the abolition of what he called "peephole laws" . Implied in his answer is the legalization of prostitution

[NeedKarma]

if it was a Republican then there would be a chorus of bleeting chortle here .

What do you think this thread is? :D

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, DC:

So, you can't distinguish between a beautiful, young, sophisticated, 5' 5", 105 lb knockout chick, from a scum bag, bum, DUDE hanging around a mens toilet?

Please, don't ever ask me out to dinner.

LOL, I can tell the difference. Does that mean you'd still have a beer with me?

[tomder55]

LOL OK fair enough . What I find intersting however is that when a Republican does the hypocrisy thing it is worthy of doscussion but when a Democrat is hoist by his own petard it isn't no biggie .

[excon]

No other workplace has to cover the range of health and safety issues that ensue from this sexual and economic exchange. Together with STIs [Sexually Transmitted Infections], verbal abuse, battering, sexual harassment and violence, rape and unwanted pregnancies are recognised occupational health and safety risks within the prostitution industry. This does not change because prostitution is legalised.

[Mary Sullivan, Ph.D., author, of the 2005 report "What Happens When Prostitution Becomes Work?"]

Hello tom:

I'm sorry to disagree with your Ph.D. but I strenuously do.

The negative aspects regarding the sex trade are a direct result of the trade being illegal, not because of the trade itself. The same thing is true in the drug trade... Clearly, prohibition doesn't work.

It WAS true in the alcohol trade too, before it became legal... But, the guy selling booze today works for 7/Eleven - not the mob. There's a connection there that is lost upon you moral cops. I don't know why.

excon

[speechlesstx]

The same thing is true in the drug trade..... It WAS true in the alcohol trade too, before it became legal.... But, the guy selling booze today works for 7/Eleven - not the mob. There's a connection there that is lost upon you moral cops. I dunno why.

I get the connection, but will legalization stop the exploitation? I don't think so.

[tomder55]

Got another phd for you

Regardless of prostitution's status (legal, illegal or decriminalized) or its physical location (strip club, massage parlor, street, escort/home/hotel), prostitution is extremely dangerous for women. Homicide is a frequent cause of death...
It is a cruel lie to suggest that decriminalization or legalization will protect anyone in prostitution. It is not possible to protect someone whose source of income exposes them to the likelihood of being raped on average once a week." [Melissa Farley, Ph.D. Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, "Prostitution Is Sexual Violence" 2004 Psychiatric Times ]

And another

"Behind the facade of a regulated industry, brothel prostitutes in Nevada are captive in conditions analogous to slavery. Women often are procured for the brothels from other areas by pimps who dump them at the house in order to collect the referral fee. Women report working in shifts commonly as long as 12 hours, even when ill, menstruating or pregnant, with no right to refuse a customer who has requested them or to refuse the sexual act for which he has paid.... And, contrary to the common claim that the brothel will protect women from the dangerous, crazy clients on the streets, rapes and assaults by customers are covered up by the management."
[Anastasia Volkonsky, J.D., Founder and Former Project Director of Prevention, Referral, Outreach, Mentoring, and Intervention to End Sexual Exploitation Feb. 27, 1995 article "Legalization the 'Profession' Would Sanction the Abuse" ]

or this one

...[L]egalization actually makes it more difficult to prosecute rapists, perpetrators, and traffickers. Because the sex industries are more legitimized under legalization, there is no basic presumption that buying or selling someone else's body is a crime — and therefore the burden on victims of violence to prove that they are experiencing harm or exploitation is increased. When sexual exploitation is legalized, sexual abusers can use excuses like, 'she's just a ho who wanted more money' to discredit anyone in the sex industries who tries to get legal support." Standing Against Global Exploitation (SAGE)

[Dark_crow]

Sweden has their hand on the pulse of the problem…they do not prosecute those who sell themselves but rather come down hard on the one paying for sex.

[excon]

Hello tom:

It doesn't wash. The problem is NOT with the market place. No matter how you slice it, how you de-regulate it, how you de-criminalize it... how you do anything about it at all, other than legalize it... as long as prostitution is considered immoral by the Judea Christian culture, the demonization of the trade will continue.

I promise you, if, in this culture, sex was considered the same as lollypops, the sex trade would be as dangerous as your local candy store.

excon