[excon]

Hello again, Alt & beautiful:

Beautiful stole my message... I was about to say, the most dangerous thing about using pot is the threat of going to jail. She is right on about that.

However, in MY case, I live in Washington and I have a prescription for medical marijuana. So, I don't need no stinkin mercy, thank you very much. She'll be happy to know, however, that because it's medicine, I promise not to enjoy it.

Beautiful, there's enough information out there to fill volumes. You can go to drugfacts.org and it'll tell you what I said. Or you can go to DEA.gov and hear what you want to hear.

I'm not here to convince you, beautiful. I'm just here to tell the truth.

excon

[Alty]

excon-Well I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, especially considering that you've been smoking it for longer than I've been alive (sorry, low blow). I do know that marijuana can be very helpful when dealing with pain from cancer, ms and a number of other illnesses. You have to wonder why they would prescribe something if it was really that terrible.

Beautiful-Once again, not condoning the use of any illegal drugs, but don't judge everyone based on what you read, even the most addictive things have their uses.

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

*Sigh* I don't even know the truth anymore.

What is right? What is wrong? It is all in a matter of opinion I suppose.

I grew up in a household where weed or any illegal drug for that matter was prohibited and one would see the worse if used.

But then again, isn't that like that in most households?

Excon, I agree and disagree. Your use of marijuana is acceptable due to health conditions. Children aspiring to become something in their lives should not, but are introduced to drugs. Cigarettes, alcohol, shrooms, acid, ectasy, heroin etc... yea we all know the effects. Why we harm our bodies in doing so? I don't know.

Altenweg- I am basing my opinion on my expierences, not what I read. Right back at you!

[Alty]

Weed affects how a person functions! That IS a fact.

Loss of Memory
Loss of Motivation
Cancer causing (4 times worse than a filtered cigarette)
Affects driving ability
Premature babies and low birth weight
Temporary loss of fertility
Increases heart rate up to 50 percent

If this were such a 'relaxing' and 'okay to use' drug, than why so many negatives? And I wonder why it is illegal? Hmmmm... GROW UP!

Sounds like you are basing your opinion on what you read, and I don't necessarily disagree with you, I am saying to keep an open mind. I am not a pot smoker, but I'd be lying if I said I've never tried it. Pot is not something that I want as part of my life, heck I don't want to smoke anymore either (it's not easy to quite). As for my coffee, touch it and be prepared to lose a finger:p

I will say this, both my parents died of cancer, my father less that two weeks after his diagnosis, my mother 10 months after hers. My mothers doctor prescribed marijuana to her for the pain. I took care of my mother for the last 5 months of her life, she lived with me and my husband and my then 2 1/2 year old son, I saw what cancer did to her and the pain she lived with everyday. I made her "smoke" outside (because I didn't want my son around pot no matter what the medicinal value of it was) and I saw it help her through the pain . Until you've walked a mile in someone's shoes, don't be so quick to judge.

[excon]

Hello again, beautiful:

I think you need to read the things I'm saying here a little more closely. I think you're missing some important distinctions that I make.

Nobody is advocating drug use, least of all me. Nobody is advocating breaking the law, least of all me. And especially, nobody is advocating that children smoke pot, least of all me.

However, telling the truth about a drug isn't advocating its use. In fact, if you want to reduce the use of a drug, the way to do that would BE to tell the truth about it. Certainly lying about it isn't working.

Drug use isn't GOOD. It isn't something people should do. Taking smoke in and out of your body isn't a GOOD thing.

But, lying about drugs to make you stop is TERRIBLE.

excon

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

Again I will say, I base my opinion on my life expierences.

I have walked along side someone's shoes.

My hands aren't lily white either. Yes, I have expieremented with it, but it was the effect on me and other's as well that formed my opinion.

Believe it or not, I am a coffee and cigarette queen, so someone please preach to me?

Hey Alt, how many cups and butts a day? We might have something in common : )

I'm not perfect but I know what I believe in.

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

Hello excon,

I don't believe I am lying, if that is what you are saying. Not all of those said symptoms can effect everyone, but a darn good percentage of them do.

[Alty]

Beautiful- I drink at least 6 cups of coffee a day (only in the morning though) with sugar and milk. I have two kids and have to start my day very early to get them to school so coffee is a godsend. As to smoking, I'm cutting down daily, I am now at 1/2 a pack a day and will cut that in half starting next week. I didn't smoke through either of my pregnancies and actually quite for 4 years starting when I found out I was pregnant with my son. I started smoking again the day after I found out my mother was terminal. Quite again when I was pregnant with my daughter, started again when she was 6 months old. I smoke outside because I don't want my children to be exposed to second hand smoke. I am not perfect, I have many flaws, it makes life more interesting:) . I'm sure we do have allot in common, even if we don't always agree I will always try to respect you point of view.

[rodandy12]

Beautiful,

"Prove that is doesn't affect motivation, memory, driving, fertility...prove that no one has died from it and no one has gotten cancer. Maybe I will reconsider what I believe then."

In all due respect, proving a negative is not a research topic anyone is willing to fund. I could probably do a study that "suggested" that Twinkies did all those things if taken in sufficient quantities, but it would be meaningless. One can show correlation with those effects, but I don't think that is what we've been debating. You can't prove what you are suggesting.

It appears to me you have had a bad experience with someone over pot. I haven't had that experience, but as I said, I haven't really been around it. The pot laws we have, especially considering the lack of law on cigarettes and booze, are arbitrary. There is a pretty good book on the subject... "Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market" by Eric Schlosser.

(excon, if you haven't see it, I'm pretty sure you would enjoy it.)

When I get around to trying it, I'll probably go to one of the many countries where it is legal. Legality of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I'll probably avoid the countries where one can be executed for it. Did I mention that the laws might be a bit arbitrary?

Oh, on the low birth weight, I certainly wouldn't attempt to refute that, but I suspect that some of those mothers had larger problems than smoking pot. We didn't know better in the '70s and my wife smoked and drank through the pregnancies of all my children. My son weighed 9 pounds 12 ounces, the lightest daughter was 7/15. My recent granddaughter weighed 9 pounds 15 ounces and my daughter was a straight arrow throughout her pregnancy. Given the difficulty of her delivery, we have jokingly said she should have smoked. I really think we are talking about extreme cases where smoking pot is piling on for there to be a serious impact, but we aren't supposed to take chances these days.

Bottom line: Individuals have to make the call after hearing and weighing the evidence.

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

Alt,

Cute bunny! So cuddley and furry... :) I believe my caffine intake can go anywhere from 3-5 cups a day, depending on the day. Cigarettes? Desperetely need to quit. I'm a little over half a pack, again depending on the day. I haven't had children but I know I will quit cigarettes when I become pregnant.

Rodandy,

Suggesting? So all of those 'drug facts' are wrong? They lied to us? Those bastards. Yes, I have had a bad experience with weed so I am going to act out the only way I know how. I'm sure if you had a bad experience on something, you wouldn't be voting for it. Though I make so called 'judgments' on the negatives of weed, I definently wouldn't alter my child's perception by pointing out the unharmful effects on it. Though you might defend it, what would you do if you saw your 11 year old lighting up a joint, in your house? Go on, tell me how wrong I am. Try to weave your way around answering what is right with this question.

[Alty]

Beautiful- That bunny is the youngest of my three bunny babies, named cotton (don't you think that's appropriate?) He is a big sucky baby. I also have two dogs a cockatiel, gold fish and a husband (ha,ha) not to mention my two kids. Yes, the house is full of human and fur babies.

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

My family and I used to breed rabbits. I can only remember thinking we had a rabbit farm. Can you imagine how big the hutch was? How much cleaning? Feeding? Nurturing? I can recall when my Dad had to put one of them 'down' and hearing that eerie gun shot. Naturally I fell in love with bunnies!

Before the big split, my family was pret-t-y big. We always had pets. 4 guines pigs, 3 dogs, 1 cat, 5 hamsters, 2 birds, 5 goldfish, 4 children (all girls) and my 2 parents. Yupp REALLY BIG! :)

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

Now back to the topic... :)

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

In my opinion, a4a5a6a7, and like others had posted, if there is no trust in the relationship then it isn't worth your time.

What part bothers you the most?

*The fact that you 'think' he lied about using the substance

Or

*The fact that he smokes it (or so you claim)

[Alty]

I still think that if she doesn't trust his answer to be the truth then the relationship isn't worth continuing either way. There can be no real relationship if there is no trust.

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

Very true!

[Alty]

Beautiful- It seems like we're the only ones left to debate this. Since I already know your views and you know mine I guess we have to wait until someone else posts. I would love to talk to you again, I'm sure we'll bump into each other on other posts. Until then fight the good fight and don't drop your coffee cup.:)

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

LOL! Never have and never will! Ditto!

[Alty]

Beautiful- One more thing, I took the liberty of adding you to my buddy list, hope that's okay. I'm signing off for a few hours. Chow.

[bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE]

Thank you!