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Wondergirl · Oct 13, 2007, 12:25 PM

In other words, Satan won't be in the picture any longer.

Could a new Satan emerge if there is free will in Heaven? It happened once before.

Tj3 · Oct 13, 2007, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

In other words, Satan won't be in the picture any longer.

Could a new Satan emerge if there is free will in Heaven? It happened once before.

There is only one Satan.

Wondergirl · Oct 13, 2007, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tj3

There is only one Satan.

But there was free will in Heaven and one angel didn't want to get with the program. With free will still in Heaven, can history repeat itself?

firmbeliever · Oct 13, 2007, 02:32 PM

Wouldn't Satan already be in Hell?

savedsinner7 · Oct 13, 2007, 02:41 PM

"Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know."

Originally Posted by Tj3

What was the point that you were making here? It is not clear.

Tj3 · Oct 13, 2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

[F]"Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know."

What I was asking was, you sent this in response to my post - were you intending this to be in agreement with what I said, or in opposition and if so, how do you see it as opposing what I said.

I am trying to better understand your perspective and intent.

savedsinner7 · Oct 13, 2007, 04:07 PM

Heaven is a place that cannot be understood by the finite mind. In trying to do so, I have spoken about things which I do not understand. So, yes my logic is faulty. My understanding of this is not yet opened by the Holy Spirit. In my limited understanding I assume the will is no longer necessary as we will be perfected and our wills will be 100% in line with the LORD's.

Originally Posted by Tj3

What I was asking was, you sent this in response to my post - were you intending this to be in agreement with what I said, or in opposition and if so, how do you see it as opposing what i said.

I am trying to better understand your perspective and intent.

Tj3 · Oct 13, 2007, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

Heaven is a place that cannot be understood by the finite mind. In trying to do so, I have spoken about things which I do not understand. So, yes my logic is faulty. My understanding of this is not yet opened by the Holy Spirit. In my limited understanding I assume the will is no longer necessary as we will be perfected and our wills will be 100% in line with the LORD's.

I agree to a large extent, but I would choose the latter, and here is why. Jesus is God, but when He was on earth, and was both wholly man and wholly God, He had His own will, but what did he do with it?

Luke 22:41-43
42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
NKJV

He willingly submitted His will to the Father's will. If Jesus, being God, had His own will and submitted it to the Father, then I see no reason why we would not retain our own wills and submit them perfectly to the Father. That seems more consistent with scripture.

savedsinner7 · Oct 13, 2007, 04:37 PM

Wasn't Jesus will manifest because of His humanness? His flesh being in contrast with His Divinity? And if so, in Heaven there is no conflict, so why have need of differences of wills?

Originally Posted by Tj3

I agree to a large extent, but I would choose the latter, and here is why. Jesus is God, but when He was on earth, and was both wholly man and wholly God, He had His own will, but what did he do with it?

Luke 22:41-43
42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
NKJV

He willingly submitted His will to the Father's will. If Jesus, being God, had His own will and submitted it to the Father, then I see no reason why we would not retain our own wills and submit them perfectly to the Father. That seems more consistent with scripture.

Tj3 · Oct 13, 2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by savedsinner7

Wasn't Jesus will manifest because of His humanness? His flesh being in contrast with His Divinity? And if so, in Heaven there is no conflict, so why have need of differences of wills?

Jesus will, to the best of my knowledge was manifest because he was human as well as being God. We are also human, so we have a separate will.

No one said that there would be a difference - if we willingly submit our wills to the Father as Jesus did, then we have no difference, yet we still have a free will.

savedsinner7 · Oct 13, 2007, 07:57 PM

I guess that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Tj3

Jesus will, to the best of my knowledge was manifest because he was human as well as being God. We are also human, so we have a separate will.

No one said that there would be a difference - if we willingly submit our wills to the Father as Jesus did, then we have no difference, yet we still have a free will.