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tomder55 · Nov 19, 2011, 11:35 AM

The songs came AFTER the movement had legs..

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Bob Dylan 1964

smoothy · Nov 19, 2011, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Me too, thats why I am patiently listening. AND WATCHING, I find reactions just as interesting as what they are reacting to.

Watching the Bowel Movement having their Poo in the Park events is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

excon · Nov 19, 2011, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Watching the Bowel Movement having their Poo in the Park events is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Hello again, smoothy:

Listening to you is like setting my hair on fire.

excon

talaniman · Nov 19, 2011, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Watching the Bowel Movement having their Poo in the Park events is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

So why are you still watching? Change the channel, that's what a remote is for. :D

TUT317 · Nov 19, 2011, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

"Occupy Wall Street Crowd Blind to Benefits of Capitalism"

'Occupy Wall Street Blind to Capitalism'

This link discusses capitalism in terms of multinationals or very large corporations, not small business interests of Mums and Dads.

Some or perhaps many OWS protestors show a lack of understanding of how capitalism works. However, what some people do understand is that Multinationals have become so large and so powerful they have the money and resources to make politicians their constituency. The have the money, power and legal resources to challenge state and local laws and regulations if they see them as being a hindrance to their goals.

In a previous post I rejected the Whittle argument that requires protestors to go home because corporations have given them iphones, computers, petrol of their cars, etc, etc. Whittle says protests should go home and be grateful for corporations.

Whittle also suggest that protestors are spoilt and lazy while corporations are prepared to do the dirty work. The only conclusion we can draw is for the protestors to go home and let corporations do what they do best.Yes, corporations do these things very well. The problem is they do other things too well.

This link is also putting forward a similar, 'where would you be without corporations type of argument?' However, the author takes a slightly different approach. He claims that the protestors want to dismantle capitalism in favour of some type of socialist system. The principle of bivalence (one or the other) doesn't have to apply here.

Their one demand should be to rein in the corporate Leviathan. This doesn't mean destroy it. Only a fool would want that.

Tut

paraclete · Nov 19, 2011, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by TUT317

This link is also putting forward a similar, 'where would you be without corporations type of argument?' However, the author takes a slightly different approach. He claims that the protestors want to dismantle capitalism in favour of some type of socialist system. The principle of bivalence (one or the other) doesn't have to apply here.

Their one demand should be to rein in the corporate Leviathan. This doesn't mean destroy it. Only a fool would want that.

Tut

the idea that corporatisation is somehow a good thing is flawed. It doesn't matter what you give power to, that power will be usurped because of the type of individual that rises to the top. Not a person who has to face the judgement of an electorate but a person who like to rule.

we need to remove opportunism from the equation, the idea that I can make a buck at the expense of someoneelse and that is OK. This is evident in the hedge funds and traders who manipulate markets

talaniman · Nov 19, 2011, 05:27 PM

Boundaries would work for me. Strong boundaries. I don't want companies, or governments telling me what to do. I want options, and opportunities.

excon · Nov 21, 2011, 05:25 AM

Hello:

DISGUSTING... Did I say DISGUSTING?? Let me say it again, the cops are DISGUSTING...

UC Davis police defend use of pepper spray on Occupy protesters - latimes.com

excon

tomder55 · Nov 21, 2011, 07:33 AM

Yes ,it is unacceptable .

tomder55 · Nov 21, 2011, 09:07 AM

Open Letter to Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi | UCDavis Bicycle Barricade

excon · Nov 21, 2011, 09:26 AM

Hello again, tom:

Switching sides? I KNEW you'd come around.

excon

smoothy · Nov 21, 2011, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

DISGUSTING... Did I say DISGUSTING???? Lemme say it again, the cops are DISGUSTING...

UC Davis police defend use of pepper spray on Occupy protesters - latimes.com

excon

If they were doing that on my property I would have urinated on them all.

excon · Nov 21, 2011, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

If they were doing that on my property I would have urinated on them all.

Hello again, smoothy:

You CALL yourself a Constitution loving American, but you haven't a clue about what it means... You DO represent the low information FOX viewer quite well, though.

excon

speechlesstx · Nov 21, 2011, 09:59 AM

That video was ugly. There needs to be some heads rolling for that.

excon · Nov 21, 2011, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That was ugly.

Hello again, Steve:

What? Me calling him out, or him saying he'd pi$$ on some kids?

excon

speechlesstx · Nov 21, 2011, 10:04 AM

See my edit.

smoothy · Nov 21, 2011, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:

You CALL yourself a Constitution loving American, but you haven't a clue about what it means... You DO represent the low information FOX viewer quite well, though.

excon

The don't have a right to "occupy" property they don't own... none of them have any "right" to occupy property I own.

If they didn't that on MY property... it would have gotten a lot uglier than that before I ran them off. Let them try and "occupy" my house... there are going to be a lot of people shot and killed. Like every single one that doesn't get out my front or back door before I got to them. Or every single one that even looks to be threatening me outside on my property.

They don't have the "right" to commit the massive numbers of crimes they have been. The don't have the right to do 99.99% if what they think they do.

They all have forgotten their rights end where the rights of others begin.

excon · Nov 21, 2011, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

They all have forgotten their rights end where the rights of others begin.

Hello again, smoothy:

They weren't in your house.. They were on PUBLIC property.

I'm not going to waste time in giving you, yet again, another lesson on the Constitution... Suffice, to say, you haven't a clue...

I have NO idea what kind of country YOU'D like to live in, but keep me as far away from it as possible...

excon

tomder55 · Nov 21, 2011, 10:35 AM

Smoothy ,the pepper spray was excess force which makes it brutality that crosses the line .

I don't have a problem with evicting the protesters .But the use of the pepper spray was ham handed . That should be used if and when it becomes a violent confrontation by the protesters.
In NYC a protester slashed a cops hand . He's the one who needed a face full of pepper .

Look ;there has been more than one idiot from the left who's said that this movement needs a Kent State moment. I'm not enthusiastic about giving it to them.

They weren't in your house.. They were on PUBLIC property

No they weren't . They were on the university property and the University had the right to evict. The campus police went too far .That's all.

speechlesstx · Nov 21, 2011, 10:41 AM

And again, see my edit. Those kids didn't deserve that.