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    #341

    Nov 21, 2013, 06:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by teacherjenn4 View Post
    We all left our nice, established teaching positions to try to make a difference. We wear uniforms and require parents to get their kiddos to school. We must be doing something right!!
    Sounds like Marva Collins and what she did in Chicago years ago.
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    #342

    Nov 21, 2013, 06:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by teacherjenn4 View Post
    I have 30 kindergarteners in my class in CA. My school opened last year and we have one of the top test scores in the state. We aren't in a fancy area, and we're a public school. How did we do it? We all left our nice, established teaching positions to try to make a difference. We wear uniforms and require parents to get their kiddos to school. We must be doing something right!!
    Since your in the system how about answering a few questions ?

    1) What are your thoughts on charter schools ?

    2) What happens to poor children when they attend school? Disadvantages in education ?
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    #343

    Nov 21, 2013, 08:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by cdad View Post
    Since your in the system how about answering a few questions ?

    1) What are your thoughts on charter schools ?

    2) What happens to poor children when they attend school? Disadvantages in education ?
    Charter schools take the funds from public schools. I haven't seen many good ones. Parents are frustrated with their children's grades and look at charter schools as an alternative. I'm not saying they're all bad, but accreditation is an issue.
    Poor children, as in poverty? Poverty doesn't always mean being poor. Children of poverty struggle from lack of help at home, attention from their families, and sometimes, lack of supplies. If parents are educated by the schools about how to help their children (access to computers, study skills, public library, etc.), we hope to break that cycle. That's why I love my school-no one looks different. They're all in uniform.
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    #344

    Nov 21, 2013, 09:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by teacherjenn4 View Post
    Charter schools take the funds from public schools. I haven't seen many good ones. Parents are frustrated with their children's grades and look at charter schools as an alternative. I'm not saying they're all bad, but accreditation is an issue.
    Poor children, as in poverty? Poverty doesn't always mean being poor. Children of poverty struggle from lack of help at home, attention from their families, and sometimes, lack of supplies. If parents are educated by the schools about how to help their children (access to computers, study skills, public library, etc.), we hope to break that cycle. That's why I love my school-no one looks different. They're all in uniform.
    Yes uniforms are important to break down that individualism that allows a student to say stuffu and to promote that team or school spirit of belonging to something important. The only way of you breaking the cycle of parents not helping is to realise that the parents may be uneducated and it will take more than a generation. As well educated as I am there was no way I could help my children effectively because teaching methods are very different and my knowledge just didn't seem to fit. Get back to the basics and give children understanding before you give them computers and every other gymic
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    #345

    Nov 22, 2013, 07:32 AM
    I think the world has changed greatly, and we have both parents working, and even more single parent household than ever where the parent works. Just the work schedule can be disruptive for many child quality time and school functions. We shouldn't always blame a parent or lack of a PHD on the how kids are raised and educated because most kids come with their own unique circumstances, and the likely hood of a broken home is 50/50 whether married or not, for whatever reason.

    Let's face some real facts, states are cutting school budgets and classes. And that also means less services for families who need them also. Lack of funds is always a challenge to find the right adjustments when the options and opportunities have shrunk so bad. Come on, if finances can tear a family apart, then what makes us think children are not affected adversely as well? It's a daunting challenge nowadays for middle class families, let alone for single parent households.

    Its unrealistic to think just as children can fall through the cracks without help or proper support, so do the adults for the same reason. Erosion of the middle class has to be a huge factor to many trying to escape the poverty of this present economy.

    What was the norm back in the day is hardly today's solutions.
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    #346

    Nov 22, 2013, 07:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Erosion of the middle class has to be a huge factor to many trying to escape the poverty of this present economy.
    Yeah, about that. What exactly is it the emperor has accomplished to help stop the bleeding?
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    #347

    Nov 22, 2013, 07:47 AM
    Can't do it by himself. And the opposition has grown since he was FIRST elected. Lets not blame one when there are 550 others who have done NOTHING.

    Often cheered on for their obstruction by constituents. So is it fair to say a great number of people want NO solutions? Sure it is.
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    #348

    Nov 22, 2013, 08:07 AM
    Dude, what part of Democrats have been running the show do you not get? Republicans can't do anything or stop anything without a bipartisan effort. Dingy Harry repeatedly declares House bills DOA, so point the finger where it belongs - to those running the show by themselves.
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    #349

    Nov 22, 2013, 08:12 AM
    What has ANY president done for the middle class?
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    Nov 22, 2013, 08:12 AM
    Your side needs to stop playing innocent victim. Republican play a large part of the dysfunction.
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    Nov 22, 2013, 08:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Your side needs to stop playing innocent victim. Republican play a large part of the dysfunction.
    LOL, your whole agenda is based on victimhood.
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    #352

    Nov 22, 2013, 08:32 AM
    No, its not, it's simple logic to realize less money equals less service. Add to that the dysfunction of actually addressing the problems of less money effectively, we have what we have.

    I do blame us for talking softly and NOT using a big stick on you guys though!
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    #353

    Nov 22, 2013, 09:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    No, its not, it's simple logic to realize less money equals less service. Add to that the dysfunction of actually addressing the problems of less money effectively, we have what we have.

    I do blame us for talking softly and NOT using a big stick on you guys though!
    Um, do you really not listen to your guys or read the news? You've bludgeoned us to death with you and the emperor leading the way. Ok, well Alan Grayson is even worse. I haven't seen or heard any of this "soft" talk you speak of.
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    #354

    Nov 22, 2013, 09:18 AM
    I always listen to your side, how can you not, and have concluded we need a bigger stick than yours, or learn how to use ours more effectively. It's not like you guys haven't used your sticks, and rocks.

    At some point we both will have to stop fighting and work together. Then we both can get something good going besides who throws the best crap at each other.
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    #355

    Nov 22, 2013, 09:22 AM
    And the way to that is by removing our one check on power?
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    #356

    Nov 22, 2013, 10:07 AM
    Your check on power only applies to judicial appointments and executive confirmations, of which you have availed yours check with an extraordinary amount of times, many for NO apparent reasons.

    To deny democrats had little choice but to change the rules is denial of that fact. Clearly stopping the president from doing his lawful job under the constitution is obstruction. Senators can still vote their conscious.

    But stopping the VOTE by any means necessary is the right wing chief weapon of obstruction. Yet another failure by you guys.
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    #357

    Nov 22, 2013, 10:14 AM
    Gotta love your revisionism.
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    #358

    Nov 22, 2013, 01:59 PM
    chaos is better
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    #359

    Nov 22, 2013, 02:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And the way to that is by removing our one check on power?

    your check on power is in the ballot box, not in some one man campaign to obstruct
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    Nov 22, 2013, 02:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    your check on power is in the ballot box, not in some one man campaign to obstruct
    Yep, and this nuclear thing is going to bite the Dems in the a$$ when they're the minority.

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