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excon · Apr 3, 2013, 07:32 AM

Hello again, smoothy:

So do the thugs on the inner city streets that will sell you one at night in certain parts of town...

Nahh.. This is just MORE of right wing crap you bought into...

I'm going to ask you to think for a minute... I'm white. You're white. I don't know ANYBODY in the hood who has guns for sale.. You don't either... I'm an excon, but I don't carry a membership card. You're not.. You look EXACTLY like me.

Now, in SPITE of what the NRA says, I'm NOT going to waltz around the hood with a pocket full of cash trying to buy a gun... Neither are you. If you did, do you REALLY think you'd get a gun? Or do you think you'd wind up in a ditch somewhere?

You're a guy who professes to know about real life.. Am I making this up?

Excon

talaniman · Apr 3, 2013, 07:35 AM

Why do you object to keeping guns from criminals? And how come the good guy with a gun got shot 20 times in his home by the bad guy in Kaufman Co.Tx. Your logic has some dangerous holes in it.

cdad · Apr 3, 2013, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:

I've posted before about my ability to buy a gun, and as MANY guns as I want at our local gun shows. I suppose you think I'm a liar too.

How is it, that a fellow who posits himself as a gun expert, knows SO little about how guns are bought and sold??? You accuse US of buying the media garbage, but that's what YOU'RE doing.

Lemme repeat. When I go to the gun shows, the guys who have BOOTHS are firearm dealers... You can't buy a gun from them WITHOUT a background check... Then there's the private seller... He's walking around with gun belts over his shoulder, or he's outside the show standing at the door or hanging out in the parking lot... You'd have be BLIND not to notice them, and not to KNOW what they're doing there... You can buy a gun from them, and NOT go through a background check... Then you can buy ANOTHER one from the next guy standing there....

And, you don't know that this is happening??? Dude!

Now, I dunno WHY you'd want to maintain a law that allows felons like me to GET guns... It makes NO sense - NO sense at all...

excon

[ Greenie ]

Ex is correct. There are provisions in the law that allow for the sale of guns from your private / personal collection. In most places there is no madate for a background check when a private sale takes place. If you can fund a booth and are willing to sell off your private collection at a show you are perfectly legal to do so.

cdad · Apr 3, 2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

You know how easy it is to pay someone with a clean record to buy a gun for you? "bangers do it all the time, and excons. But you guys are opposed to making straw purchases a federal crime with a steep sentence.

It is already as I have pointed out a federal crime. If they actually gathered the proof needed then they can put them away under current law.

Wondergirl · Apr 3, 2013, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

It is already as I have pointed out a federal crime. If they actually gathered the proof needed then they can put them away under current law.

So my friend Bob goes to a gun show, buys an untraceable handgun there in a private sale, and then goes home to shoot and kill his wife The private seller gets off scot-free.

cdad · Apr 3, 2013, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So my friend Bob goes to a gun show, buys an untraceable handgun there in a private sale, and then goes home to shoot and kill his wife The private seller gets off scot-free.

For one thing it may or may not be untraceable. For another if there was enough reason to believe that this person can own a gun then the seller has no part of the crime being committed with that gun.

P.S. You need new friends.

Wondergirl · Apr 3, 2013, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

For one thing it may or may not be untraceable. For another if there was enough reason to believe that this person can own a gun then the seller has no part of the crime being commited with that gun.

P.S. You need new friends.

The seller has no idea who he is selling to (an excon? Bob who may have a criminal papertrail of some sort and who plans to shoot his wife?). Wouldn't a private seller want that protection?

P.S. I made up "Bob."

cdad · Apr 3, 2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The seller has no idea who he is selling to (an excon? Bob who may have a criminal papertrail of some sort and who plans to shoot his wife?). Wouldn't a private seller want that protection?

P.S. I made up "Bob."

I can not guess anothers thinking nor will I try in this debate.

Bob

Wondergirl · Apr 3, 2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

I can not guess anothers thinking nor will I try in this debate.

Bob

But wouldn't the private seller want protection and know not to sell a gun to a felon or someone with a rap sheet?

P.S. Not Bob -- I meant to call him ummmm Fred.

talaniman · Apr 3, 2013, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

For one thing it may or may not be untraceable. For another if there was enough reason to believe that this person can own a gun then the seller has no part of the crime being commited with that gun.

P.S. You need new friends.

Okay problem solved and we don't have to do anything but wait for the next nut or criminal to make headlines. GOT IT.

Lots of if's and maybe's in your quote.

cdad · Apr 3, 2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Okay problem solved and we don't have to do anything but wait for the next nut or criminal to make headlines. GOT IT.

Lots of if's and maybe's in your quote.

That is because I do abide by the law. If they that are responsible for prosecuting the law as it is written then it would be a lot less of it happening. Instead they are not following through. I can't do anything about that except watch my local elections and vote the SOB's out that fail to do their job.

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So my friend Bob goes to a gun show, buys an untraceable handgun there in a private sale, and then goes home to shoot and kill his wife The private seller gets off scot-free.

Maybe you need better friends than Bob.

Wondergirl · Apr 3, 2013, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Maybe you need better friends than Bob.

Or I should make friends with the private sellers who don't check up on who they sell guns to?

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

That is because I do abide by the law. If they that are responsible for prosecuting the law as it is written then it would be a lot less of it happening. Instead they are not following through. I can't do anything about that except watch my local elections and vote the SOB's out that fail to do thier job.

Can anyone guess which three cities rank the worst in prosecuting federal gun crimes last year?

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Or I should make friends with the private sellers who don't check up on who they sell guns to?

Bob's the murderer.

Wondergirl · Apr 3, 2013, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Can anyone guess which three cities rank the worst in prosecuting federal gun crimes last year?

All the more reason to have a universal background check, even done by private sellers at gun shows.

talaniman · Apr 3, 2013, 08:59 AM

You're my friend Speech. >Big Grin<

Originally Posted by cdad

That is because I do abide by the law. If they that are responsible for prosecuting the law as it is written then it would be a lot less of it happening. Instead they are not following through. I can't do anything about that except watch my local elections and vote the SOB's out that fail to do thier job.

I know the feeling, the cost of successful prosecutions and rounding up all those criminals along with plea bargains is an obstacle to effective application of the law since there are many not so law abiding citizens that take a penitentiary chance to make a few bucks.

It's a never ending process filled with holes to be plugged. A daunting task.

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

All the more reason to have a universal background check, even done by private sellers at gun shows.

All the more reason to start with prosecuting the laws we have, and those three cities have more laws than most.

excon · Apr 3, 2013, 09:13 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Can anyone guess which three cities rank the worst in prosecuting federal gun crimes last year?

Can anyone guess WHICH gun laws the right wing is talking about??

It's PAPER violations.. It's the heinous crime of applying for a gun and getting turned down. It's TRYING to buy a gun when you're not eligible and getting turned down. It's fraudulent applying...

Does ANYBODY think hunting down THESE criminals is the best use of our police forces?

“I want to stop 76,000 people from getting guns illegally. That's what a background check does. If you think we're going to do paperwork prosecutions, you're wrong,”

Excon

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Can anyone guess WHICH gun laws the right wing is talking about???

It's PAPER violations.. It's the crime of applying for a gun and getting turned down. It's TRYING to buy a gun when you're not eligible and NOT getting one. It's fraudulent applying...

Does ANYBODY think that's the best use of our police forces??

excon

Ah, so some gun crimes are OK.