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excon · Nov 17, 2011, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

yes and I've known that Madame Mimi is a fraud and an insider trading crook for a long time.

Hello again, tom:

Hmmm, hmmm, umph... I THOUGHT you would have mentioned that the corruption is across the board... No, huh? That's bad, tom...

excon

tomder55 · Nov 17, 2011, 11:34 AM

I said all along Washinton is the problem . What more do you want ? Pelosi's is the only one in their report that was blatant insider trading . Martha Stewart went to jail for less.
It's a given that Congress normally exempts itself from the legislation it passes.

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2011, 04:35 AM

Yesterday across the nation hundreds of OWS protesters got arrested for their ahem civil disobedience.
Now many of these "kids" ,when they get their act together and join the real world, will be looking for employment in the corporate world .
I just wonder how their arrest record and the nature of the arrest will affect their future prospects. They can't all go to Woodstock to sell tye died hemp shirts .

talaniman · Nov 18, 2011, 07:57 AM

I think they would have joined the real world by now... if given an opportunity.

Past protestors seem to have done all right after they retired from protesting their causes, and I suspect so will these, but I think the true challenge for them is will they evolve into a smarter bunch.

I think they will.

excon · Nov 18, 2011, 08:05 AM

Hello again, tom:

If you focus on their clothes instead of what they're pissed off about, you're going to MISS something.. But, I suspect it's something you WANT to miss or you wouldn't be wearing the required right wing blinders.

That's all right.. They don't need your permission OR agreement, not that they'd get it anyway. Get ready for the ride of your life. Things is going to BE different. The world is about to shift..

excon

NeedKarma · Nov 18, 2011, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

look, as i've pointed out many times they began with the goal of zeroing in on their "one demand". What is it? If they can't give me their "one demand" there's nothing to talk about.

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tomder55 · Nov 18, 2011, 09:09 AM

These clowns have already overplayed their hand.
Even Elizabeth Warren, who first endorsed the protestors, has refused to sign an “Occupy Harvard ” statement. She's clearly worried that her previous endorsement will hurt her chances of winning against Scott Brown.
Elizabeth Warren won’t sign off on Occupy Harvard - BostonHerald.com
It's time for every Republic to call out the Dems and force them to go public and on the record with their support of this movement.

excon · Nov 18, 2011, 09:12 AM

Hello again, tom:

Yeah, they called me names too.. But WE changed the world. Sit back and watch it happen again..

excon

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2011, 09:45 AM

Your nostalgia is not really relevant to this . Even if I give the anti-Vietnam war credit for getting us out of that conflict ,it was hardly world changing .
But at least you had a clear unambiguous simple message.

This crowd doesn't know what it wants . It's a tantrum/rage against the machine that is getting old as they interfere with the rights of others (besides the so called 1% that are largely unaffected by this street theater )to conduct their daily affairs.

What the heck... just for you...

Politicians sit yourselves down, there's nothing for you here
Won't you please come to Chicago for a ride
Don't ask Jack to help you 'cause he'll turn the other ear
Won't you please come to Chicago or else join the other side

We can change the world rearrange the world
It's dying - if you believe in justice
Dying - and if you believe in freedom
Dying - let a man live his own life
Dying - rules and regulations, who needs them

talaniman · Nov 18, 2011, 09:51 AM

Seems Warren Buffet ain't the only guy calling for an end to tax cuts, and corporate welfare to end.

Patriotic Millionaires For Fiscal Strength

'Patriotic Millionaires' Beg Supercommittee for Higher Taxes - Yahoo! News

Patriotic Millionaires To Grover Norquist: 'Move To Somalia' - The Huffington Post

The Self-Expropriation of the Patriotic Millionaires

'Patriotic Millionaires' Lobby Congress for Higher Taxes on Rich | PBS NewsHour | Nov. 16, 2011 | PBS

GARRETT GRUENER: Well, that's something I can speak to directly.

I have built up a number of companies myself, and I have been a venture capitalist now for almost 20 years. So I have been involved in the creation of lots of high-technology companies, companies in life sciences, in software and hardware, now in clean tech. And I'm currently running a company that's built on nanotechnology.

And I can say, for myself, that not a single one of those investments, not one was ever impacted by marginal tax rates. I invested under the Clinton rates. I invested under the Bush rates. I invested under the rates before that. And, by the way, in history, the rates were much higher than they are today.

I don't believe it, they sound too much like Excon, you know that crazy left wing guy who talks crazy? Now unlike him, or those goofy unwashed lazy rich kids running through the street like idiots, hollering and screaming instead of washing dishes, we have some real clean cut types, who are rich, and there are a bunch of 'em.

Will the right listen? I doubt it, they didn't bother to show up to get the story, but the progressive in CONGRESS did.

speechlesstx · Nov 18, 2011, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Past protestors seem to have done all right after they retired from protesting their causes, and I suspect so will these

Sure, just take a page from the William Ayers playbook.

but I think the true challenge for them is will they evolve into a smarter bunch.

Very true.

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2011, 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Past protestors seem to have done all right after they retired from protesting their causes, and I suspect so will these

Sure, just take a page from the William Ayers playbook.

Or Jerry Rubin...

In the 1980s, he embarked on a debating tour with Abbie Hoffman titled "Yippie versus Yuppie." Rubin's argument in the debates was that activism was hard work and that the abuse of drugs, sex, and private property had made the counter-culture "a scary society in itself." He maintained that "wealth creation is the real American revolution.

Jerry Rubin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

excon · Nov 18, 2011, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Sure, just take a page from the William Ayers playbook.

Hello again, Steve:

Or Martin Luther King, Jr. or Gandhi perhaps. Even Nelson Mandela.

excon

excon · Nov 18, 2011, 10:04 AM

Hello again, wingers:

So, you REALLY don't want to know why they're there? I don't think you do. You don't want to engage in anything other than hurling insults...

Did we do that when the Tea Party emerged?? If we did, did you like it?

excon

speechlesstx · Nov 18, 2011, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, wingers:

So, you REALLY don't wanna know why they're there? I don't think you do. You don't want to engage in anything other than hurling insults...

Did we do that when the Tea Party emerged??? If we did, did you like it?

excon

Dude, I've said 7 times previously I'm waiting for their "one demand." Lots of other people have claimed to know their one demand but as far as I can tell the actual occupiers have still not listed their demand. When they tell me what that "one demand" is we can talk about it.

Meanwhile, the public is starting to get pretty fed up with them. And any group of people that interferes with the rights of others, including children going to daycare, creates a health hazard, and resorts to all manner of criminal activity deserves every insult hurled their way.

excon · Nov 18, 2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

When they tell me what that "one demand" is we can talk about it.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not buying it. Your expectations are just a tad high. Until you hear ONE VOICE from 100's of 1,000's of pissed off people, you ain't going to talk?? That's your principled position?? Really? So, I should ignore everything you say until I hear ALL right wingers saying it?? Really?

excon

Wondergirl · Nov 18, 2011, 10:49 AM

According to Wikipedia, the October 27, 2011, issue of Bloomberg Businessweek states that protesters want more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics.

talaniman · Nov 18, 2011, 10:53 AM

All I can say is that you better keep listening, before you dismiss and call names. Is that all you see is the bad side of this movement, or judge the not so perfect by the worst.

Is that really all you see, or all you want to see? Not very open minded. We can have a conversation now if you were.

excon · Nov 18, 2011, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

According to Wikipedia, the October 27, 2011, issue of Bloomberg Businessweek states that protesters want more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics.

Hello WG:

Bloomberg is a pansy liberal. Steve wants to hear 100,000 people chant the SAME THING, or he ain't buying it.

excon

speechlesstx · Nov 18, 2011, 11:09 AM

No, I just don't get why so many people are defending these thugs. I promise you if the Tea Party rallies had led to a quarter of the crime, hazards and disruption of other people's lives that the occupiers are guilty of you all would be screaming for their heads.

These people started as lawbreakers from day one and I have no respect for anyone that has no respect for the law and the rights and property of others.

And here I thought you were all your rights end where my nose begins people...