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paraclete · Apr 3, 2013, 03:00 AM

Yeah I heard but would you want to live in Switzerland you can't do anything without your neighbour watching and reporting, that is where you are headed

tomder55 · Apr 3, 2013, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Now that would be sensible, everyone who drives a car has insurance, but how do you get a criminal to insure themselves

Yeah let's have all them criminals with illegal guns buy liability insurance before they pump someone full of lead.

Tuttyd · Apr 3, 2013, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Catsmine

It isn't the first. Switzerland was the first. It isn't even the first in Georgia.

Crime Rate Plummets in Kennesaw, GA

Just trying to work this bit out. It says the law went into effect in 1982, yet they are celebrating the 16th anniversary of the ordinance. Wouldn't that put the year at about 96/97?

excon · Apr 3, 2013, 04:19 AM

Hello:

I don't know.. Are you NOT able to distinguish between those guns which have NOT been made or sold yet, and those that have??

I'm also sure you have NO idea what I'm talking about... THAT'S why we have a problem...

Look. I remember when congress mandated that cars have lights on the SIDES. According to right wing logic, we'd NEVER had lights on the side before so it's CLEAR that we didn't need them.

??

excon

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 04:30 AM

I'm OK with car lights.

speechlesstx · Apr 3, 2013, 05:01 AM

In spite of the Senate voting to block this treaty the Obama admin voted for it.

UN approval of arms trade treaty sets up Obama, Senate showdown - The Hill's Global Affairs

tomder55 · Apr 3, 2013, 05:02 AM

As far as I can tell ,there is no amendment guaranteeing my right to own a car .

smoothy · Apr 3, 2013, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

In spite of the Senate voting to block this treaty the Obama admin voted for it.

UN approval of arms trade treaty sets up Obama, Senate showdown - The Hill's Global Affairs

Let them try ant take them... I hope every gun owner shoots anyone and everyone that tries to take our guns...

I am an American citizen... not a UN citizen... MY contoling document is the US constitution... not some piece of scrap paper some UN idiot scrawled on with crayons.

paraclete · Apr 3, 2013, 05:33 AM

Panic and for no reason the UN arms treaty is to regulate international arms dealing not to take away US guns. The traffic in arms has to be stopped almost every nation in the world has agreed only the rogues voted against it. Watch who you are aligning yourself with

excon · Apr 3, 2013, 05:39 AM

Hello smoothy:

I hope every gun owner shoots anyone and everyone that tries to take our guns...

Couple things... Of course, right wingers haven't thought this thing through... Thinking ISN'T a right wing strong point. You can't really, when you hair is on fire...

First off, IF anybody comes for your guns, he's going to be your neighbor, your local cop, or your local National Guard.. He's NOT going to be a member of Obama's army...

Secondly, they're going to show up with big black helicopters that have BIGGER guns than you. I don't know WHY you wingers think your little, teeny, tiny assault rifles would stand up to the US Army... I can't figure that one out...

Thirdly, Tim McVey thought he was a patriot too. He thought he was defending America... But, he wound up being just another scumbag terrorist.

Excon

smoothy · Apr 3, 2013, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

panic and for no reason the UN arms treaty is to regulate international arms dealing not to take away US guns. The traffic in arms has to be stopped almost every nation in the world has agreed only the rogues voted against it. Watch who you are aligning yourself with

The traffic of socialism is what needs to be stopped...

The UN is an organization of thugs and criminals...

What NEEDS to be stopped... Islam... Islam needs to be stopped... THAT is the true threat to the world... not guns.

paraclete · Apr 3, 2013, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

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What NEEDS to be stopped................Islam...Islam needs to be stopped....THAT is the true threat to the world...not guns.

You and I are in agreement that islam needs to be stopped, but the traffic in weapons is feuling the conflicts and allowing islamists to wage war. Guns must not be freely available but controlled

smoothy · Apr 3, 2013, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

You and I are in agreement that islam needs to be stopped, but the traffic in weapons is feuling the conflicts and allowing islamists to wage war. Guns must not be freely available but controlled

That's what the people who want to impose Tyranny upon you want you to think...

Because they are the ones with the capacity to make the guns... they will have complete control... you and I will become slaves and subject to their every whim being we would become the unarmed masses..

If you listen to the news... most of what they are saying on this topic is nothing but bold faced lies... and they are not held criminally liable for doing it.

And a lot of clues nimrods parrot them saying see... thats the problem.. when "that problem" doesn't even exist.

Naming just one, The fictitious "gun show loophole"... the reality is nobody at any gun show is exempt form any background check or paperwork... period.. it is that simple. ANY and every journalist that repeats that line is an absolute idiot... and a liar.

paraclete · Apr 3, 2013, 06:05 AM

I have lived a long time in a society where gun population is about 14%, we have not become slaves, we are not subject to their every whim because there is rule of law. Your rhetoric is exactly that; rhetoric put forward by those who want to control, want anarchy, so they can profit from it. Wake up, you are a stooge of the gun lobby, a stooge of the NRA

smoothy · Apr 3, 2013, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

I have lived a long time in a society where gun population is about 14%, we have not become slaves, we are not subject to their every whim because there is rule of law. your rhetoric is exactly that; rhetoric put forward by those who want to control, want anarchy, so they can profit from it. Wake up, you are a stooge of the gun lobby, a stooge of the NRA

YOU might believe that from within your bubble... but its pretty obvious to the rest of us... you are the stooge to the gun grabbing socialists. We call those people Sheeple. They quietly and meekly accept what they are told by their handlers what is good for them to think.

But then you don't understand the basic concept of a real constitution that doesn't change more often than some restaurant menus. And a BIll of Rights that isn't subject to some loons passing whimsy.

excon · Apr 3, 2013, 06:25 AM

Hello smoothy:

The fictitious "gun show loophole"... the reality is nobody at any gun show is exempt form any background check or paperwork... period.. it is that simple. ANY and every journalist that repeats that line is an absolute idiot... and a liar.

I've posted before about my ability to buy a gun, and as MANY guns as I want at our local gun shows. I suppose you think I'm a liar too.

How is it, that a fellow who posits himself as a gun expert, knows SO little about how guns are bought and sold?? You accuse US of buying the media garbage, but that's what YOU'RE doing.

Let me repeat. When I go to the gun shows, the guys who have BOOTHS are firearm dealers... You can't buy a gun from them WITHOUT a background check... Then there's the private seller... He's walking around with gun belts over his shoulder, or he's outside the show standing at the door or hanging out in the parking lot... You'd have be BLIND not to notice them, and not to KNOW what they're doing there... You can buy a gun from them, and NOT go through a background check... Then you can buy ANOTHER one from the next guy standing there...

And, you don't know that this is happening?? Dude!

Now, I don't know WHY you'd want to maintain a law that allows felons like me to GET guns... It makes NO sense - NO sense at all...

Excon

talaniman · Apr 3, 2013, 06:39 AM

You know how easy it is to pay someone with a clean record to buy a gun for you? "bangers do it all the time, and excons. But you guys are opposed to making straw purchases a federal crime with a steep sentence.

Wondergirl · Apr 3, 2013, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Naming just one, The fictitious "gun show loophole".....the reality is nobody at any gun show is exempt form any background check or paperwork.....period..it is that simple. ANY and every journalist that repeats that line is an absolute idiot...and a liar.

My NRA husband says there are lots of private sales going on at gun shows between guys who walk around with all sorts of guns strapped to and hanging from their bodies and people who don't want the background check done.

smoothy · Apr 3, 2013, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:

I've posted before about my ability to buy a gun, and as MANY guns as I want at our local gun shows. I suppose you think I'm a liar too.

How is it, that a fellow who posits himself as a gun expert, knows SO little about how guns are bought and sold??? You accuse US of buying the media garbage, but that's what YOU'RE doing.

Lemme repeat. When I go to the gun shows, the guys who have BOOTHS are firearm dealers... You can't buy a gun from them WITHOUT a background check... Then there's the private seller... He's walking around with gun belts over his shoulder, or he's outside the show standing at the door or hanging out in the parking lot... You'd have be BLIND not to notice them, and not to KNOW what they're doing there... You can buy a gun from them, and NOT go through a background check... Then you can buy ANOTHER one from the next guy standing there....

And, you don't know that this is happening??? Dude!

Now, I dunno WHY you'd want to maintain a law that allows felons like me to GET guns... It makes NO sense - NO sense at all...

excon

So do the thugs on the inner city streets that will sell you one at night in certain parts of town...

So what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Or can't Liberals actually read what is written.

smoothy · Apr 3, 2013, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

You know how easy it is to pay someone with a clean record to buy a gun for you? "bangers do it all the time, and excons. But you guys are opposed to making straw purchases a federal crime with a steep sentence.

And again... exactly WHAT does that have to do with the purchaser in EVERY gun transaction required to be filling out forms and getting checks? As the existing law requires ALREADY?

And exactly WHY should the criminal who commits the crime get at most five years and at least a slap on the wrist.. when someone who DIDN'T commit that crime is supposed to get worse?

Unless you call for criminlas using guns they shouldn't have to be executed... then every argument you have about someone who sells them a gun becomes total BS...

They guy that points the gun at someone to commit a crime... DESERVES a far greater penalty than anyone else who didn't.