[tomder55]

Very busy today... I'll get to it . Suffice it to say that even as damning as the testimony was yesterday ,the State Dept whistleblowers were only scratching the surface.

[speechlesstx]

Is the hearing over? I don't believe the goal is to crow, it's about truth, accountability, mitigating the damage and preventing another Benghazi. You apparently are OK with the administration's failures and lies.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

You apparently are OK with the administration's failures and lies.

Apparently, you haven't read where I said that I want the people who made mistakes to be thrown out of government...

That's WAY different than believing the conspiracy crap you're into.

Excon

[smoothy]

And yet you helped reelect Obama... after 4 years of mistakes... so he can make 4 more years of mistakes.

His mamma made the mistake of not aborting him in-utero and now we are all paying for it..

[NeedKarma]

And yet you helped reelect Obama....after 4 years of mistakes...so he can make 4 more years of mistakes.

His mamma made the mistake of not aborting him in-utero and now we are all paying for it..

Going to quote this for posterity.

[smoothy]

Gonna quote this for posterity.

Fee free to... a majority of Americans feel that sentiment right now.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Apparently, you haven't read where I said that I want the people who made mistakes to be thrown out of government...

That's WAY different than believing the conspiracy crap you're into.

excon

Dude, it's already clear that the 'conspiracy' as you call it is reality. And unless the media takes an interest in this as they SHOULD instead of writing it off as a witch hunt those who made the mistakes will never be held accountable. Instead, the whistleblowers will be smeared and you guys will do everything in your power to elect one of those that failed us and lied about it.

[tomder55]

OK .This is what we know from yesterday's testimony (with more to follow)

First ; someone intentionally shut off the rescue apparatus in place for theater diplomats and CIA ops .They did not name names but it is clear the decision was made up the chain of command at State ,the White House and/or DOD . AFRICOM had the assets available .But they were told to stand down.
What we learned was that EVERYONE knew immediately that it was an attack ;and could NOT have known the timeframe of the attack (which lasted over 6 hrs. ) .But still the talking points are that they could not have deployed the assets in time. That may be true for the 1st wave . But it is a red herring and a falsehood to claim that they could not have gotten their in time. They could've made a difference at the CIA annex ;and they certainly would've held the compound thus preventing looting ,loss of intelligence ,and evidence being compromised.
Charlie 1/10 or Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group. the Commander's In-extremis Force (CIF) for Special Operations Command Europe ,was formed specifically for this type of mission . So is the Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (FAST) and Recapture Tactics Teams (RTT). Both were available.

We have yet to hear from CIA on this . They also have their own field ops that could've been deployed rapidly .
So who on the night of 9-11-12 made the decision to stand down ? It had to come from the top... Evita ,Brennan ,Petraeus ,Panetta.(we know Zero was asleep at the wheels ,getting his beauty rest before he travelled on a fund raiser to Vegas)

Second.. It is now confirmed that the situation being an attack was established early . Yet Congress listened to a parade of witnesses claim that it was a demonstration due to a Youtube video . How many of these were testifying under oath ? Who made the decision to change the talking points ? Again ,that came out of the White House . Did they direct the people who testified to Congress to lie ? Can you say cover-up ? Can you say perjury ?

[talaniman]

Nice GOP spin but I rather hear the logistical decisions from the experts in the CIA, and military not from a diplomat.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

If its to long to read, too bad.

[tomder55]

Nice GOP spin but I rather hear the logistical decisions from the experts in the CIA, and military not from a diplomat.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

If its to long to read, too bad.

Like I said ,we have not heard from them yet .But once they get the same whistleblower protection the guys from State got ,the information I just laid out will be confirmed.

[tomder55]

Nice GOP spin but I rather hear the logistical decisions from the experts in the CIA, and military not from a diplomat.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

If its to long to read, too bad.

The Accountability Review Board is part of the cover -up as the facts will reveal. They protected all of the department’s higher-ups and blamed career officials down the ladder. State’s inspector general is now investigating their report

And ;if you think that Gregory Hicks and Mark Thompson are not credible witnesses then there is nothing I can do for you .

[talaniman]

LOL,I have no doubt they have strong opinions and knowledgeable in their own field but being more credible than others that have weighed into this is a stretch at this time. I will wait to see what else come to light before I impeach the prez or send Hillary to jail.

Right wing conspiracy theories have failed before. Well they have so far failed every time. Yeah credibility is an issue though.

[smoothy]

But not for Hillary and Obama... no matter how many lies and criminal acts they get caught red handed in.. the left refuses to hold them responsible.

And Hillarly has had a long list of them... THere are lots of people that have served jail time for doing less than Hillary has been caught doing... heck... there are a lot of people who have done time for doing EXACTLY WHAT Hillary has been caught doing.

[talaniman]

But not for Hillary and Obama....no matter how many lies and criminal acts they get caught red handed in..the left refuses to hold them responsible.

And Hillarly has had a long list of them....THere are lots of people that have served jail time for doing less than Hillary has been caught doing....heck...there are a lot of people who have done time for doing EXACTLY WHAT Hillary has been caught doing.

Links please or it just another right wing loony opinion.

[speechlesstx]

LOL,I have no doubt they have strong opinions and knowledgeable in their own field but being more credible than others that have weighed into this is a stretch at this time. I will wait to see what else come to light before I impeach the prez or send Hillary to jail.

Right wing conspiracy theories have failed before. Well they have so far failed every time. Yeah credibility is an issue though.

What was it I said just a short while ago, the whistleblowers will get smeared? It begins...

[smoothy]

Links please or it just another right wing loony opinion.

Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate... etc... etc.

She was in contempt of court for 9 months over filegate...

[tomder55]

FBI files ; WhiteWater ; Rose law firm,cattle futures fraud , Accepting a quid pro quo deal voter fraud in New Square NY in exchange for Presidential pardons for the "New Square Four "... just to name a few .
There are others like a cell phone franchise deal that was probably illegal too.


Edit... oh yeah ! Travelgate !

Edit... campaign finance fraud from a Hollywood fundraiser for her Senate campaign. She didn't report all the money contributed to the tune of $800K

[talaniman]

You want to revise history, go ahead.

[tomder55]

No this is telling history ,not revising it.

[smoothy]

You want to revise history, go ahead.

Really... don't even think about going there... because those are very real and did happen... putting your fingers in your ears and chanting lalalalalalalalalalla loudly won't change that fact.