[JudyKayTee]

Yes, But was you are neglecting to consider is the fact that Homosexual consist of only 2% of the population and yet account for 48% of the transmissions. Scary

I've seen that percentage as high as 10% -

As I said, I really don't know whose posture those statistics help or hurt -

[De Maria]

I know but it's like watching a train wreck - can't tear my eyes away.

Its obvious that you don't like what I have to say. But your little smarmy comments just prove that you know your arguments don't hold water.

[De Maria]

I've seen that percentage as high as 10% -

As I said, I really don't know whose posture those statistics help or hurt -

And you work in a courtroom supposedly helping battered women? That is scary.

Let me explain, even if the percentage of homosexuals in the population were 10%, the fact that they represent 48% of the population that suffers from AIDS is very bad. That is an argument against homosexual behavior never mind homosexual marriage.

[JudyKayTee]

You said I had changed mine. But you quoted me in your objection to my message. And the quote of my words in your message was exactly as I said it in my message.

Well, actually no one will ever know because this can only be "he said/she said."

Your post was extremely abusive. It had everything to do with me and nothing to do with the topic at hand. I responded in those words.

Your post was pulled, which caused my response to be pulled.

You then red flagged an earlier post of mine - and your red flag made no sense, by the way, given the content of the particular post you flagged - using my exact words.

The thread was then closed.

[JudyKayTee]

And you work in a courtroom supposedly helping battered women? That is scary.

Let me explain, even if the percentage of homosexuals in the population were 10%, the fact that they represent 48% of the population that suffers from AIDS is very bad. That is an argument against homosexual behavior never mind homosexual marriage.

I help battered women in the Courtroom? When do/did I do that?

I'm a liability investigator - I'm in and out of the Courtroom but I never said I "helped battered women." Even supposedly.

[Synnen]

You know... I'm frankly getting annoyed at the atheist comments.

The strongest posters in this thread (that I have noticed--my apologies to those I miss) who are FOR the privileges of marriage to be non-discriminatory are:

1. Myself--Wiccan (NOT Atheist)
2. Tuscany --Roman Catholic (Christian)
3. excon - Jewish
4. Tal - I'm honestly not sure
5. Needkarma - Atheist
6. WVHiflyer - Unsure here too.

So... you (in general) keep calling those FOR gay marriage atheists, and telling us to go away since this is a Religious board, but:

A. Only one of the main 6 posting for gay marriage is a confirmed Atheist; and
B. Atheism is a religion too.

So... I agree this thread should be moved out of religious discussions, but it's funny how the "atheists" are accused of having an agenda--do not the Christians posting here have an equal and opposite "agenda" then?

[Synnen]

PS... I have no idea what Judy's faith is, either. Sorry Judy... didn't mean to leave you out.

[Allheart]

For those of you, who have never been hurt by other's comments - Judge the gay community.

For those of you, who have never felt different, been teased or ridiculed for being different - Point your finger at the gay community and tell them how horrible they are.

For those of you who have never felt overweight, underweight, too tall, too small - Stand up and let your negative voice and opinions be heard in reference to the Gay community.


For those of you, who never felt heartache from not being able to be with the one you love, whose hearts have never been broken - Lash out at the gay community for wanting to love.

But for all of those who know what it feels like to be different, to have your feelings hurt, to feel unloved and wanted by so many - remember that pain - and embrace all that share that pain - black, white, gay, bi, straight, tall, short - your brothers and sisters.

Don't try and stand in God's shoes - they will never fit any of us.

Wishing for peace,
Allheart ( A Roman Catholic )

[jillianleab]

**Standing Ovation for Allheart**

This thread is disgusting. The hate, the bigotry, the lies, the skewing and misinterpretation of facts is revolting. Add name calling and personal insults on top of that and there's no reason at all for this thread to remain open. It's disintegrated from a discussion to a hate-fest. Many of the comments in this thread are downright repulsive. I really wonder how some of you look in the mirror each day.

I'm unsubscribing. I hope this thread gets closed.

[JudyKayTee]

PS...I have no idea what Judy's faith is, either. Sorry Judy...didn't mean to leave you out.

Hey, no problem - I'm only here in order to raise my blood pressure.

I was raised Roman Catholic (my mother and the Pope are the only 2 people left in the World who don't eat meat on Friday), husband was raised Orthodox Jewish.

I was also raised old school Catholic - the worst sin is the sin of embarrassing your religion through your words or actions, such as being intolerant; driving people away from "the Church;" being a bad example. Between that and the incense - :)

My opinion - most of the injustices in the World are committed in the name of organized religion. One religion is always trying to make another see the light - or kill them in the process.

[JudyKayTee]

For those of you, who have never been hurt by other's comments - Judge the gay community.

For those of you, who have never felt different, been teased or ridiculed for being different - Point your finger at the gay community and tell them how horrible they are.

For those of you who have never felt overweight, underweight, too tall, too small - Stand up and let your negative voice and opinions be heard in reference to the Gay community.


For those of you, who never felt heartache from not being able to be with the one you love, whose hearts have never been broken - Lash out at the gay community for wanting to love.

But for all of those who know what it feels like to be different, to have your feelings hurt, to feel unloved and wanted by so many - remember that pain - and embrace all that share that pain - black, white, gay, bi, straight, tall, short - your brothers and sisters.

Don't try and stand in God's shoes - they will never fit any of us.

Wishing for peace,
Allheart ( A Roman Catholic )

Wow - did you write this? Most impressive - should be copied and pasted. Frequently. This is really amazing.

Talk about flashbacks - a good friend of mine committed suicide several years ago, post-partim depression, I think we all saw it coming but were helpless, left a husband and two small children. During her funeral mass the Priest, aware of the "How can she be buried from the Church? She was Catholic and she committed suicide," buzz, said - right from the altar - "It is not up to us to judge. It is up to us to be kind and supportive and understanding and love each other and we must leave it to God to judge."

I never heard another murmur about it and I honestly think people were nicer to each other for quite a while afterwards. Sobering words and, as you so aptly put it, "Don't try to stand in God's shoes."

[De Maria]

Well, actually no one will ever know because this can only be "he said/she said."

Yeah, you know. But you are trying to smear my reputation.

Your post was extremely abusive. It had everything to do with me and nothing to do with the topic at hand. I responded in those words.

I didn't even address you. My post was addressed to the OP. Apparently, since my opinion was different from yours, you felt that I was attacking you. But this is America. I'm free to have my own opinion.

Your post was pulled, which caused my response to be pulled.

The thread is still there though closed:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/marria...ut-212028.html

Read it again and note how your first message addressed the OP.
My first message also addressed the OP.
Your second message addressed me. Although you were having trouble with the quotes, here is what you said to me:

... Unfortunately - religious advice aside - unless the OP is independently wealthy she has to go to Court to get child support and perhaps maintenance for herself. Living apart if he has alcoholic rages is not going to keep her safe.

Also - Christians aren't the only ones who pray.

So, you addressed me and objected to my advice to the OP.

You then red flagged an earlier post of mine - and your red flag made no sense, by the way, given the content of the particular post you flagged - using my exact words.

You had flagged one of my responses to your objections of my posts, and those were pulled. It is unfortunate because you had at that point begun to make all these accusations about my going back and changing messages, but your own messages contained the quotes which were evidence against you.

The thread was then closed.

Rightly so in my opinion. In one of your posts you tried to paint it as though I had derailed the thread. But it is obvious that it was you who derailed the thread in starting an argument against me.

But again, I have a right to my opinions as you have a right to yours.

Oh and you're displaying that trait that you find so detestable. Since apparently you can't change the subject.

Anyway, its in the past and if you are ready to drop it, I will as well. But if you keep trying to smear my reputation, I will have to continue defending myself.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[Allheart]

I am so very sorry for your friend, Judy Kae tee. I am sure they are resting in peace now.
My words are straight from the heart - after many many many homilies :), preaching,
Love your brothers and sisters.

I'm not perfect by no means - far far from it. Many things in our life we can't control - but one thing we can, and that is being kind to one another - we all know how it feels to hurt -
And just need to remember that when dealing with others.

[De Maria]

I help battered women in the Courtroom? When do/did I do that?

I'm a liability investigator - I'm in and out of the Courtroom but I never said I "helped battered women." Even supposedly.

That is certainly how you made it sound in one of those messages that was pulled. But that's good, I'm glad you aren't in that position. Much less scary.

[JudyKayTee]

Yeah, you know. But you are trying to smear my reputation.



I didn't even address you. My post was addressed to the OP. Apparently, since my opinion was different from yours, you felt that I was attacking you. But this is America. I'm free to have my own opinion.



The thread is still there though closed:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/marria...ut-212028.html

Read it again and note how your first message addressed the OP.
My first message also addressed the OP.
Your second message addressed me. Although you were having trouble with the quotes, here is what you said to me:


So, you addressed me and objected to my advice to the OP.



You had flagged one of my responses to your objections of my posts, and those were pulled. It is unfortunate because you had at that point begun to make all these accusations about my going back and changing messages, but your own messages contained the quotes which were evidence against you.



Rightly so in my opinion. In one of your posts you tried to paint it as though I had derailed the thread. But it is obvious that it was you who derailed the thread in starting an argument against me.

But again, I have a right to my opinions as you have a right to yours.

Oh and you're displaying that trait that you find so detestable. Since apparently you can't change the subject.

Anyway, its in the past and if you are ready to drop it, I will as well. But if you keep trying to smear my reputation, I will have to continue defending myself.

Sincerely,

De Maria

SURPRISE! "We" are allowed to address other people who post, not just the OP.

[JudyKayTee]

Its obvious that you don't like what I have to say. But your little smarmy comments just prove that you know your arguments don't hold water.

Let's vote on who does and who does not like what you have to say. I haven't made an argument in favor of or against homosexuality - you would like me to, but I haven't.

Show of hands on who does or does not like what you have to say as well as whether I have harmed your reputation or if you've done it yourself.

[Synnen]

Let's leave an argument about a different post entirely out of this one, please.

[JudyKayTee]

That is certainly how you made it sound in one of those messages that was pulled. But thats good, I'm glad you aren't in that position. Much less scary.

Ahh, yes, the old "I could prove it but the message was pulled" argument. Drat!

[JudyKayTee]

Let's leave an argument about a different post entirely out of this one, please.

Agreed and I apologize - old history best not dragged onto a new board. Omit/erase/remove if you can - again, I was out of line.

[De Maria]

SURPRISE! "We" are allowed to address other people who post, not just the OP.

No, I wasn't surprised. I bet you were surprised though. Didn't know what you were getting into.

Anybody interested in continuing the OP? Or was it all a sham in order to attack religion?