[Wondergirl]

Exactly correct. So we can join together in a call for men and women to behave responsibly and prevent out of wedlock pregnancies??

That's what I taught my children. No "accidents". How about yours?

[jlisenbe]

So is that a "yes"?

[Wondergirl]

So is that a "yes"?

You mean we are to call from our front porches?

[paraclete]

You mean we are to call from our front porches?

Well, of course, where else would you call out from

[jlisenbe]

[talaniman]

That's what I taught my children. No "accidents". How about yours?

Be grateful your children listened to you. Sometimes they don't.

[jlisenbe]

So is that a "yes"?

You mean we are to call from our front porches?

Once again, history repeats itself.

[talaniman]

Police brutality leads to protests and riots. Yup! History repeats itself.

[jlisenbe]

Yeah. The actions of one policeman led to hundreds and hundreds of businesses being destroyed. It didn't have anything to do with the pathetic rioters and the feckless mayors. As usual, with you, it's always someone else's fault.

[talaniman]

Seems you would be open to stopping such actions that trigger such events.

[Wondergirl]

Be grateful your children listened to you. Sometimes they don't.

Even if they hadn't listened, I would have continued to love them, and loved and accepted their partners and offspring unconditionally.

[jlisenbe]

If one of my children either became pregnant out of wedlock, or fathered a child out of wedlock, I would certainly continue to love that child and support him/her and the infant as best I can, but I would not decide that having sex outside of marriage is actually OK. I would not accept his/her actions, and I would be clear with my child that those actions were outside the will of God. There is much more to love than hugs and kind words. Sometimes a backbone is needed.

[Wondergirl]

If one of my children either became pregnant out of wedlock, or fathered a child out of wedlock, I would certainly continue to love that child and support him/her and the infant as best I can, but I would not decide that having sex outside of marriage is actually OK. I would not accept his/her actions, and I would be clear with my child that those actions were outside the will of God. There is much more to love than hugs and kind words. Sometimes a backbone is needed.

The deed has been done. You will "not accept his/her actions"-- but you will "love that child ... and the infant as best I can." Doesn't sound very loving, not with conditions attached. And scolding him and lecturing him about "the will of God" after the fact doesn't sound very loving, just very Old Testament-y.

[jlisenbe]

You will "not accept his/her actions"-- but you will "love that child ... and the infant as best I can." Doesn't sound very loving, not with conditions attached. And scolding him and lecturing him about "the will of God" after the fact doesn't sound very loving, just very Old Testament-y.

Read the end of the story of the woman caught in adultery and get back with me about it. To be silent about sin is as unloving as you can be. That's why I said that at some point you have to grow some backbone.

[Wondergirl]

Read the end of the story of the woman caught in adultery and get back with me about it. To be silent about sin is as unloving as you can be. That's why I said that at some point you have to grow some backbone.

Your "love as best I can" is very off-putting. And I hope when you raise your virtual verbal whip against your sinful child, you'll use "I" statements. And before you do or say anything in reproof, read John 8:7.

[tomder55]

the streets of NYC . Mayors wife yesterday said NYC without police would be Nirvana .

[jlisenbe]

Your "love as best I can" is very off-putting. And I hope when you raise your virtual verbal whip against your sinful child, you'll use "I" statements. And before you do or say anything in reproof, read John 8:7.

I read your text, and it is plainly very appropritate. So did you read the very last thing Jesus said to her??

"Off-putting"?? The best I can give is "off putting"? Hmm.

[Wondergirl]

I read your text, and it is plainly very appropritate. So did you read the very last thing Jesus said to her??

What He said to her is also a message to all of us.

"Off-putting"?? The best I can give is "off putting"? Hmm.

With accusative "you" this and "you" that pronouncements while holding up a Bible in your right hand, yes, off-putting.

[jlisenbe]

What He said to her is also a message to all of us.

So he didn't just say, "Go on now, sweetie. Mommie loves you?"

With accusative "you" this and "you" that pronouncements while holding up a Bible in your right hand, yes, off-putting.

I never mentioned the Bible which you seem to hold in disdain. And yes, the "you" is sometimes called for. That's where some backbone comes into play.

[Wondergirl]

So he didn't just say, "Go on now, sweetie. Mommie loves you?

Use "I" statements, not "you" statements. Jesus told her,"I love you in spite of everything and want you to make a better life for yourself."

I never mentioned the Bible which you seem to hold in disdain. And yes, the "you" is sometimes called for. That's where some backbone comes into play.

Bwahahahahaha, "hold it in disdain." (Back to your shaming thing, I see.)

Nope, "you" is never called for in situations like that. That's just more shaming and has nothing to do with "backbone".