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    #261

    Jul 8, 2013, 10:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    They might even be from the Vaginal Probe Board who's job it is, is to SEE to it, that this doctor stick something wayyyy up inside a woman whether she needs it or not.

    Maybe they'll be from the APB, Abortion Prevention Bureau... They're the bureaucrats who are going to see to it that EVERY pregnancy ends in a birth. They might even station cops IN his practice.. I'm SURE they'll install a wireless uterine monitoring device that reports DIRECTLY to them.

    Excon

    Yeah, we're trying to become as barbaric as most of Europe (edited for space)
    AUSTRIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: First three months - in practice often before 12 weeks

    Conditions: Must have medical consultation. May be performed after 12 weeks if necessary to avoid serious danger to the woman's physical or mental health; if the child is at risk of being born with a serious physical or mental defect; or if the woman is under 14 years of age.

    BELGIUM


    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    Conditions: Woman must say she is in a "state of distress". Abortions allowed at any stage later in pregnancy if two physicians agree there is a serious risk to the health of the mother or that the child has an "extremely serious and incurable disease".

    BULGARIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    Conditions: Between 12 and 20 weeks, abortion is permitted only if the woman is suffering from a proven, documented case of a disease that could endanger the life of mother or child. After 20 weeks, abortion is permitted only if the woman's life is in danger or evidence is found of severe foetal impairment.

    CYPRUS

    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 28 weeks

    CZECH REPUBLIC


    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    DENMARK

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    Conditions: After 12 weeks, if the pregnancy does not pose a risk to the woman's life or of serious deterioration to her physical or mental health, the abortion must be approved by a committee of four people.

    The procedure must be performed by a physician in a state or communal hospital or in a clinic attached to a hospital. No cost, part of the public health system.

    Abortion for non-residents is not allowed unless they have some special relationship with Denmark.

    FAROE ISLANDS:

    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 16 weeks

    ESTONIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    FINLAND

    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 24 weeks

    FRANCE

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    Conditions: The woman must claim to be in a "state of distress" because of her pregnancy. After 12 weeks, abortions are allowed only if the pregnancy poses a grave danger to the woman's health or there is a risk the child will suffer from a severe illness recognised as incurable. If this is the case, two doctors must confirm the risk to the health of the woman or foetus.

    A pregnant girl under the age of 16 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first. But she has to be accompanied by an adult of her choice.
    Conscientious objection allows professionals to decline involvement in procedures, but they must inform the patient without delay.

    GERMANY

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    Conditions: The woman must receive proper counselling three days before the procedure. The state-regulated counselling is required to inform the woman that the unborn have a right to life and to try to convince her to continue her pregnancy.

    GREECE

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    HUNGARY

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    IRELAND

    Availability: Strict conditions

    Gestational limit: No set limit

    Conditions: Only allowed if woman's life is at risk (including the risk of suicide).

    ITALY

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    Conditions: A one-week reflection period is imposed unless the situation is one of urgency. A certificate confirming the pregnancy and the request for termination must be issued by a doctor and signed by the woman and the doctor.

    Parental authorisation is required if the woman is under 18. After 12 weeks, abortion is allowed only if the foetus has a genetic deficiency or to preserve the physical and mental health of the mother. An abortion must be performed in a public hospital or authorised private facility - if there are staff willing to perform the procedure.

    LATVIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    LITHUANIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    LUXEMBOURG

    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks


    Conditions: Allowed during first 12 weeks to save a woman's life, to preserve her mental or physical health, for economic or social reasons in the cases of rape or incest or foetal impairment. A one-week reflection period is required and the pregnant woman must be given an information booklet in which options other than abortion are explained.

    MALTA


    Availability: None

    Conditions: Abortion is prohibited in all circumstances. Anyone performing an abortion - or a woman who performs one on herself or consents to the procedure - can be jailed for between 18 months and three years. A physician, surgeon, obstetrician, or pharmacist who performs an abortion faces a jail term of 18 months to four years and a lifelong ban from exercising his or her profession.

    THE NETHERLANDS

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 13 weeks

    Conditions: A five-day waiting period is required between the initial consultation and the performance of an induced abortion. The procedure must be performed in a licensed hospital or clinic. Abortion is allowed after 13 weeks (up to 24 weeks) if she claims to be in a state of distress.

    POLAND


    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks

    PORTUGAL

    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 16 weeks


    ROMANIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 14 weeks


    Conditions: Must be carried out with the woman's consent in an approved medical institution or surgery. Abortions may be performed later in pregnancy if absolutely necessary for therapeutic reasons, according to legal provisions.

    SLOVAKIA


    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 12 weeks


    SLOVENIA

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 10 weeks

    SPAIN

    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 22 weeks

    Conditions: Abortions are allowed to avoid serious risk to physical or mental health of the woman within the first 12 weeks. If the pregnancy is a result of rape, the rape must first be reported to the police and the procedure carried out within 12 weeks of pregnancy.

    In case of foetal impairment, two specialists, other than the doctor performing the abortion, must certify that the child would suffer from severe physical or mental defects. The procedure must be performed within the first 22 weeks.
    All abortions must be reported to the national health authorities.

    SWEDEN

    Availability: On request

    Gestational limit: 18 weeks

    Conditions: Between 12 and 18 weeks of gestation, the women must discuss the procedure with a social worker. After 18 weeks, permission must be obtained from the National Board of Health and Welfare.

    Abortions must be performed by a licensed medical practitioner and, except in cases of emergency, in a general hospital or other approved healthcare establishment.
    Abortion is subsidised by the government. The country says illegal abortions have been eradicated.

    UNITED KINGDOM


    Availability: Under certain conditions

    Gestational limit: 24 weeks
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    #262

    Jul 8, 2013, 10:44 AM
    Why isn't 9 weeks enough, and the typical abortion is 12 weeks here. Its legal within the first trimester.
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    #263

    Jul 8, 2013, 01:00 PM
    "Coverage for about 7 million people expected to enroll in health exchanges next year will cost U.S. taxpayers about $26 billion, the Congressional Budget Office says. That figure nearly doubles a year later, and exchange coverage is expected to total $1.1 trillion through 2023. A spokeswoman for the agency, Deborah Kilroe, said in an e-mail that it has no estimate of how many people in exchanges will be retirees." FROM speech's link re: cities transferring retirees to exchanges.
    That 7 million which doubles a year later to $ 1.1 Trillion probably doesn't include the currently employed workers who will now not know if there employer will ever be required to provide coverage or pay a penalty. Do they bide their time until 2015 and see what happens and hope not to get sick while paying their "tax" for not having insurance or go to exchanges and get covered?
    How many group policies did insurance companies plan on picking up in 2014 and what effect will having to cover pre-existing conditions etc. now have on everyone's rates? My group plan usually runs from July through June, but this year it runs only until Oct. Insurance companies want as much smoke as possible to clear before they have to agree to any premiums for 2014 and that was before the recent "delay" of employer requirements.
    Single payer is coming Ex, and it was a pretty shrewd switcheroo planned from day one.
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    #264

    Jul 8, 2013, 01:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Why isn't 9 weeks enough, and the typical abortion is 12 weeks here. Its legal within the first trimester.
    I'll go for 9 weeks.
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    #265

    Jul 9, 2013, 07:54 AM
    A new day, a new screwup for Obamacare.

    A break for smokers? Glitch may limit penalties

    Aside from the latest implementation glitch, I want to know why Obama hates smokers.
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    #266

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:03 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    I want to know why Obama hates smokers.
    Me too.

    Excon
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    #267

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:09 AM
    smearcase has said it twice on recent comments . Obamacare was never designed to succeed .It was designed to collapse the current system completely so they can build a single payer system on the rubble.
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    #268

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:14 AM
    That is a great idea too. The old system only worked for greedy capitalist.
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    #269

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:38 AM
    I'm not a greedy capitolist... and I've never been accused of being rich... but the old system worked damn well and was the envy of the world.
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    #270

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:55 AM
    was the envy of the world
    Not really.
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    #271

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:56 AM
    Hello again, tom:
    so they can build a single payer system on the rubble.
    Nahhhh... If, as you're want to say, the Democrats shoved it down the throats of the unwilling, then they would have shoved single payer.

    Excon
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    #272

    Jul 9, 2013, 08:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Not really.
    Well YOUR Prime Minister Paid cash to come here for a surgery rather than use the Canadian system not that long ago... as well as huge numbers of other Canadians who are fed up with waiting months or years to get what they need in Canada, that come here pay for it and get it right away.
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    #273

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:01 AM
    Canadians love their healthcare system.
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    #274

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That is a great idea too. The old system only worked for greedy capitalist.
    That greedy capitalist system supported us being the world leader in medical advances and technology. Soon we'll all be like the UK.

    Happy Birthday To Great Britain's Increasingly Scandalous National Health Service

    You should read the article.
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    #275

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:10 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    You should read the article.
    You should tell us what YOUR plan is instead of complaining.. I'm ready to hear your fix... But, if it's to do NOTHING, because we HAD/HAVE the best health care system in the world, then you're not to be taken seriously.

    Excon
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    #276

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    You should tell us what YOUR plan is instead of complaining.. I'm ready to hear your fix... But, if it's to do NOTHING, because we HAD/HAVE the best health care system in the world, then you're not to be taken seriously.

    excon
    We've been down this road already and I will continue to exercise my right to warn about the coming train wreck. It is you who ignore all the signs of the coming disaster who are not to be taken seriously.
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    #277

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:25 AM
    How many train wrecks have you warned us about that did not come to fruition? See: The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
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    #278

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:31 AM
    Train wreck isn't our words . We are just repeating the warnings by Democrat Senator Max Baucus ,who was the key author and proponent of Obamacare in the Senate .
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    #279

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Canadians love their healthcare system.
    That's what the Canadian Pravda want you to think.

    But based on the numbers of Canadians getting care on our side of the border... when they need actually need it... not 6 moths or a year or more later... thats obviously not a universal opinion..
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    #280

    Jul 9, 2013, 09:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy
    Thats what the Canadian Pravda
    I don't even know what that is, I don't think it's a real thing.

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