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excon · Aug 22, 2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

still waiting to hear the restrictions on abortions that the pro abortion crowd accepts ;

Hello tom:

I don't know who the pro abortion crowd is. Maybe you'll do better if you call them MURDERERS which is clearly what you think they are..

excon

tomder55 · Aug 22, 2012, 06:57 AM

It's you that changed the definition of premeditated killing a human.

NeedKarma · Aug 22, 2012, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

It's you that changed the definition of premeditated killing a human.

Nope, that's already in the criminal code. When did I ever change that?

speechlesstx · Aug 22, 2012, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

It shouldn't baffle you... I'm a simple man. My reasoning is simple too.. I want to protect babies, but I want to preserve their mother's right NOT to be pregnant if she doesn't want to be... I'm conflicted, but if I have to choose, and I do, I choose to guard the mothers rights.

Protecting gays against the government is an EASY choice.. Protecting minorities against the government is EASY too. But, protecting a mothers rights against her baby's rights isn't easy at all.

Does that unbaffle you?

excon

To me the easiest choice is protecting most vulnerable, but since your side doesn't even believe it's a human being I can see how you justify it. That is why the pro-abortion crowd is adamant about not granting personhood to a child - even if it survives a live-birth abortion. They just call it a "previable fetus," which is what Obama argued before voting present on Illinois' born alive bill.

NeedKarma · Aug 22, 2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

They just call it a "previable fetus," which is what Obama argued before voting present on Illinois' born alive bill.

Because medically that's what it is. Even your nurse you refer to says that many organs such as the lungs aren't developed enough to function.

speechlesstx · Aug 22, 2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Because medically that's what it is. Even your nurse you refer to says that many organs such as the lungs aren't developed enough to function.

All the more reason to intervene in the life of the child. I have a niece, who I believe is now 12, weighed less than a pound when she was born premature. She's doing great and I'm sure medical science has advanced in that time. In fact, this girl survived at less than 22 weeks and 10 ounces.

It is a child, it deserves a chance.

NeedKarma · Aug 22, 2012, 07:25 AM

Ok, agreed.

speechlesstx · Aug 22, 2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:

I dunno who the pro abortion crowd is. Maybe you'll do better if you call them MURDERERS which is clearly what you think they are..

excon

Feminist finally admits the obvious, "I Love Abortion"

tomder55 · Aug 22, 2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:

I dunno who the pro abortion crowd is. Maybe you'll do better if you call them MURDERERS which is clearly what you think they are..

excon

State sanctioned Mass Murder or infanticide is more accurate.

NeedKarma · Aug 22, 2012, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

State sanctioned Mass Murder or infanticide is more accurate.

But it isn't. No doctors or women are charged for this. Do you live in a different country?

tomder55 · Aug 22, 2012, 07:40 AM

The 'State sanctioned' part of my comment covers your question.

NeedKarma · Aug 22, 2012, 07:42 AM

But it isn't state sanctioned, the mother makes the decision.
No state has ever told a women she must get an abortion.

excon · Aug 22, 2012, 07:44 AM

Hello again,

Your views that it's murder, and that women love abortion, and that they'll LIE about a rape just to get one, is FRINGE thinking. That's where it belongs. After this war you're conducting on women results in a landslide victory for Obama, the fringe is where it'll be remanded to.

We will NOT go back to 1950.

excon

excon · Aug 22, 2012, 07:55 AM

Hello again,

Yes, I have MORE to say... Let me suggest JUST how fringe you guys are... If you had your way, a woman who was VICTIMIZED by rape, will be VICTIMIZED again by the state when she's FORCED to bear the rapist's child..

But, if that isn't VICTIMIZING her enough, the rapist will be able to VICTIMIZE her again, for the NEXT 18 years when he files for visitation, and it's GRANTED...

And, you have the BALLS to say you're NOT conducting a war on women... It's a good thing YOU'RE the only ones who think so.

excon

Wondergirl · Aug 22, 2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

They just call it a "previable fetus," which is what Obama argued before voting present on Illinois' born alive bill.

Voting "present" in Illinois (as in a few other states) means such a vote provides a way for lawmakers to voice opposition to an issue without voting "no" and say, "Go back to the drawing board and work out the kinks in this bill. You don't have my pro or con vote yet."

speechlesstx · Aug 22, 2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Your views that it's murder, and that women love abortion, and that they'll LIE about a rape just to get one, is FRINGE thinking. That's where it belongs. After this war you're conducting on women results in a landslide victory for Obama, the fringe is where it'll be remanded to.

We will NOT go back to 1950.

excon

I don't want to go back to 1950, I don't know anyone who does. That's just a meaningless, straw man cliché. You're whole war on women meme is just a straw man... or is it straw woman?

speechlesstx · Aug 22, 2012, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Yes, I have MORE to say... Lemme suggest JUST how fringe you guys are... If you had your way, a woman who was VICTIMIZED by rape, will be VICTIMIZED again by the state when she's FORCED to bear the rapist's child..

But, if that isn't VICTIMIZING her enough, the rapist will be able to VICTIMIZE her again, for the NEXT 18 years when he files for visitation, and it's GRANTED...

And, you have the BALLS to say you're NOT conducting a war on women.... It's a good thing YOU'RE the only ones who think so.

excon

I have no idea who you're talking to. You ain't talkin' to me.

excon · Aug 22, 2012, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I have no idea who you're talking to. You ain't talkin' to me.

Hello Steve:

Everybody's running away.. But, you can't hide anymore.. Todd Akin pulled back the curtains...

The Republican platform committee approved language on Tuesday seeking a constitutional amendment that would ban abortions with no exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the life of a pregnant woman.

It's called the “Akin Plank,”.

How is the scenario I painted above, where the GOVERNMENT will VICTIMIZE a rape victim LOOOOOOONG after the rapist did, NOT going to happen under THIS plank??

excon

tomder55 · Aug 22, 2012, 08:26 AM

I guess victimizing the baby is a one off.

speechlesstx · Aug 22, 2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

Everybody's running away.. But, you can't hide anymore.. Todd Akin pulled back the curtains...

The Republican platform committee approved language on Tuesday seeking a constitutional amendment that would ban abortions with no exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the life of a pregnant woman.

If I recall that's nothing new, the third time in a row for this plank.

It's called the “Akin Plank,”.

No it isn't, Democrats labeled it as such. He didn't build that.