[talaniman]

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.

Funny how that's the first time in a hundred years we have heard that. I think its more an effort to denigrate and bring down a Democratic president by the right wing than a lack of anything. And they make no bones about it as a priority, over any need this country has.

The right wing sees everything as an opportunity to get what they want, smaller government, weaker government, and a bunch of poor people without jobs or resources. They think it makes their piece of the pie bigger, and better.

It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills.

Then the US government has never been able to pay its bills, because raising the debt ceiling has always been around decades anyway. Why is it bad now? Because the right wing said so. And it's a perfect opportunity to hold the whole country hostage AGAIN, and extort more tribute to there corporate masters, (nice rhetoric, hehehe!), to keep resources and wealth in the deserving hands of rich fat cats, and doled out as they see fit.

To do this and keep the masses under thumb, they have to divert the peoples money from the peoples interest, and into their own pockets.

It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. …

Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security,and anything that helps the poor and disenfranchised, and unfortunate, like Education, and Health Care have an opportunity to rising above their own poverty, or station in life.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.

Moving jobs overseas weakens America, not making things here in America weakens America, but then that was part of the plan any way, to turn us into another third world country with cheap labor, weak government, and corporate dictators raking in the money.

Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the
Burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.

Just as right wing policy seeks to keep generations of poor, even poorer, and without education, and opportunity for anything but the most menial, low wage jobs in the world. The working class is the new servant class. That's what they mean by a service economy. With big gaps between class, and privilege.

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Yes it deserves better and will work to get it, as we defeat the right wing, and restore America to the land of opportunity, and the world leader in innovation, both in scientific, and social advancement.

The revolution will be televised, but you have to have cable to get it.

For sale, Fox Cable News, must have responsible owners. Inquire at Congress for details

Job wanted-Right wing Presidential candidates, and pundits, will comment and spew craziness for the right price, and perks, easy terms and wages negotiable.

[tomder55]

Ummm... you do realize that was Obama saying those exact words in 2006 ?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...t-ceiling.html

[excon]

ummm ...you do realize that was Obama saying those exact words in 2006 ?

Hello again, tom:

You DO realize that it was a POLITICAL vote he cast while looking over his shoulder to make sure the bill PASSED.

In fact, that's EXACTLY what wingers are doing because they KNOW the debt ceiling MUST be raised.. Once the votes are tallied, Michelle Bachmann is going to vote against it for the SAME reason Obama did.

You DID know that. You just wanted to shove a stick in his eye.

excon

[tomder55]

Then why did he make a floor speech justifying his position ? It sure looks like he meant it to me.

[excon]

then why did he make a floor speech justifying his position ? It sure looks like he meant it to me.

Hello again, tom:

Why is Bachmann making speeches about it EVERY day?? The difference is Obama KNEW the debt limit had to be raised... Michelle Bachmann believes her own schtick... I think you do too.

excon

[talaniman]

He was making a statement, not obstructing. Not demanding, not misleading. As were all who cast NO votes back in the day.

Enough talk, lets vote and go from there.

[tomder55]

I think there will be a vote and a short term extension. The Republic leaders have no spine.
In another couple days Geithner will pull a page from the Hank Paulson playbook and get on his knees begging Congress to raise the ceiling. To the guardians of the Levithian way of thinking ,you can never spend enough.

[talaniman]

Boy I think its hilarious, the very ones who holler about spending never say what they mean, and resist any effort to cut the spending that they like the most, and I find it hard to believe that a hedge fund guy making billions, only pays 15 percent taxes.

How is that fair specifically? Don't talk about what the left or right is doing, talk to me about what YOU mean!

[excon]

To the guardians of the Levithian way of thinking ,you can never spend enough.

Hello again, tom:

That's the spin, of course.. Obama was offering to CUT 3 times as much as he proposed raising taxes on the superrich... That doesn't look like he wants to spend. It looks like he wants to cut... I know that because I can add.

Besides, it WAS the very conservative George Bush that spent us into oblivion. So, when you lament the debt on your children's head, REMEMBER who did it to them.

excon

[tomder55]

Boy I think its hilarious, the very ones who holler about spending never say what they mean, and resist any effort to cut the spending that they like the most,

In case you missed or intentionally ignored my previous comments... I said across the board cuts ;nothing spared .

.. Obama was offering to CUT 3 times as much as he proposed raising taxes on the superrich... That doesn't look like he wants to spend. It looks like he wants to cut... I know that because I can add.

Besides, it WAS the very conservative George Bush that spent us into oblivion. So, when you lament the debt on your children's head, REMEMBER who did it to them.

I never gave Bush a pass on spending and growing the entitlement state. The President wants cuts you say ?

Let's start by getting rid of the Bush expansions to Medicare and Dept of Education... I imagine that the lefty's would sing a different tune about cutting programs that was beloved by the swimmer Ted Kennedy ;who worked in a "bipartisan" way to get those 2 programs initiated .

BTW... he says super rich while still targeting earners at $250,000 . All his talk of taxing the super rich is demagogic BS . You could take all the money from the 'super rich' and not come close to balancing the books .

[talaniman]

You could take all the money from the 'super rich' and not come close to balancing the books .

You have to admit that every little bit adds up and gets you closer to where you want to be. Lets be clear Tom, I don't disagree with everything you say, just the ones on Fox, who make a living by talking crazy.

Where will they go when Rupert loses his license? How will Sarah put gas in her bus? Where will Shaun throw his football? You mean you don't care about these low information nut jobs??

[tomder55]

You have to admit that every little bit adds up and gets you closer to where you want to be. Lets be clear Tom, I don't disagree with everything you say, just the ones on Fox, who make a living by talking crazy.

Where will they go when Rupert loses his license? How will Sarah put gas in her bus? Where will Shaun throw his football? You mean you don't care about these low information nut jobs????

I watch Shep Smith and Bret Baire... occasionally Mike Wallace. I think those 3 represent a superior brand of new broadcasts than any other network . Other than that I don't rely on the network for commentary .I have much better sources including the one that led me to the Hannity Williams exchange.

I don't care about the future of FOX . If they go there will be another network to replace them .

I could have course waste my time pointing fingers to your sources like the GE funded MSNBC... I thought you didn't like corporations that don't pay taxes . But I'd rather put my views on the table and debate and defend them .

[talaniman]

I don't like corporations that don't pay taxes, GE included. Shep, and Chris Wallace are journalist, and all information I cite be it fact, opinion, or just feelings I do check out, with an open mind.

By my math, taxes should be contingent on the times, and flexible enough to fit the needs of the people, not fixed and subject to the whims of either party, as with spending, to reflect thoughtful deliberations, and max efficiency.

I get a bit agitated when you interfere with women's health to stop a few abortions, for example, OR changing Medicare to a voucher plan and lower taxes for rich guys. Doesn't seem fair to holler there ain't no money for WIC, but there is for a rich guy to fly his jet.

And what does shortening the early voting days have to do with a fair election, or making rules about young people voting where they live, not where they are at. Why is that allowed? Or my biggest peeve, Social activism and conflict of interest by judges, especially the ones at the top!

Lots of things that need fixing far as I can see.

[TUT317]

You have to admit that every little bit adds up and gets you closer to where you want to be. Lets be clear Tom, I don't disagree with everything you say, just the ones on Fox, who make a living by talking crazy.

Where will they go when Rupert loses his license? How will Sarah put gas in her bus? Where will Shaun throw his football? You mean you don't care about these low information nut jobs????

Hi Tal,

Don't worry Rupert will reinvent himself as he had always done. When it comes to the media pandering to the lowest common denominator is what Rupert does best. He finds a niche and exploits it for everything it's worth. You only have to look at the quality of journalism evident in any of the media companies he owns.

Tut

[tomder55]

I'll comment on the Judiciary on a new discussion .

[speechlesstx]

Fox News isn't going anywhere but to continue trampling the competition.

[TUT317]

Fox News isn't going anywhere but to continue trampling the competition.

Hi Speech,

Popularity won't necessarily save them. The News of World was very popular until people realized what they were buying into. It is always tempting to be attracted to the lowest common denominator.

Tut

[tomder55]

I take issue with this characterization that broadcasts reflecting political philosophies we agree with is "catering to the lowest common denominator " .

[speechlesstx]

It is always tempting to be attracted to the lowest common denominator

We were discussing Fox, not MSNBC.

[NeedKarma]

I take issue with this characterization that broadcasts reflecting political philosophies we agree with is "catering to the lowest common denominator " .

Your issue is noted, let's move on.