[paraclete]

are we playing bingo, if so get your ducks in a row, 22

[talaniman]

Not done yet Athos

https://vittana.org/42-shocking-poli...ity-statistics

http://copcrisis.com/

https://www.mic.com/articles/129981/...utely-shocking

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/

[jlisenbe]

Only because you dismiss the police brutality that delivers no justice to it's victims and is swept under the rug

I haven't dismissed anything.

while the brothers populate the prisons on small ticky tacky charges,

That's not true.

I can see good cops getting a raw deal being thrown in with the bad corrupt ones, but hell man, we can't even get the bad ones out.

We do need to get the bad ones out. Agreed.

Even now you equate peaceful protests to injustice corruption, with RIOTS?

I haven't done that. Haven't even come close.

That's the big picture!

What is????

[jlisenbe]

he says give to God because in the Jewish system the tythe was to meet charitable needs

That was not the purpose of the tithe in Israel. The tithe went to the Levites to support them and allow them to be fully committed to the work of OT ministry. It was their inheritance and their due.

There was a tithe every third year that was for the support of the poor, so it amounted to about 3% a year, but that was not the primary tithe nor the tithe that is generally being referred to when the term is used.

[talaniman]

I haven't dismissed anything.

You wrote, "The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.". The decision was to peacefully protest after a brutal murder which was just the latest event in a series that so rattled the public conscious actions had to be taken lest we forget while Floyd 's death was in real time, others were delayed from the public as most are and kept quiet. The rioting was from criminals taking advantage of the protests. If all you see are rioters, you miss the whole point of WHY people made the decision to take to the streets in the first place. Your whole narrative about the deaths from criminals daily undermines the whole issue of police brutality which your own numbers point is more than rare isolated incidence and forgives bad cops by dismissing it as a huge problem in communities both black and white. The diversity and widespread protesting through out the WORLD bears witness to the size, scope, and heinousness of police cruelty, abuses, and atrocities that's long been complained about but never addressed.

True there are many other important issues before us but how dare you say to others what they SHOULD be upset about or how to express that upset. That is a callous disregard to the concerns of the many who have been outraged and adversely affected by such behavior by those charged with serving and protecting while they do neither. If they were at least doing an effective job of that then would those black lives lost that YOU cite even be so high? Of course you continue to focus on the narrow issue that has your attention, and dismiss what has ours and both go back to how the cops get away with MURDER, terror, and brutality in poor neighborhoods while not serving and protecting.

That's not true.

Most blacks in prison were charged with non violent offenses, and receive higher sentences that whites. A very old and pervasive story that just fuels the fires burning amongst
minorities and poor people.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black...b0e97dffed66a0

https://www.ussc.gov/research/resear...ces-sentencing

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...in-prison-time

Of course there is a lot more data and fact, but that's the meat of a larger picture of a system that serves as a knee on the neck of minorities. Racism in the criminal justice system? You bet, but you aren't listening to that either so dismissing the problem and becoming part of it.

I haven't done that. Haven't even come close.

Addressed above!

What is????

Also see above, and maybe own what you have posted.

[jlisenbe]

Talk about self-serving photo ops.

"The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.". The decision was to peacefully protest after a brutal murder which was just the latest event in a series that so rattled the public conscious actions had to be taken lest we forget while Floyd 's death was in real time, others were delayed from the public as most are and kept quiet. The rioting was from criminals taking advantage of the protests. If all you see are rioters, you miss the whole point of WHY people made the decision to take to the streets in the first place. Your whole narrative about the deaths from criminals daily undermines the whole issue of police brutality which your own numbers point is more than rare isolated incidence and forgives bad cops by dismissing it as a huge problem in communities both black and white. The diversity and widespread protesting through out the WORLD bears witness to the size, scope, and heinousness of police cruelty, abuses, and atrocities that's long been complained about but never addressed.

I wrote that where? Pretty sure I didn't.

[jlisenbe]

how dare you say to others what they SHOULD be upset about or how to express that upset.

Like you are doing right now?

You said black men were in prison on "small, ticky-tak charges", but then proceeded to post links about sentencing disparities??? What??? At any rate, I said that "ticky-tak" reference was not true because...it is not true. A bank robbery or a home burglary are non-violent offenses. I have no problem with sending people to jail for those crimes. Black men are not in jail for jaywalking or speeding. Your statement was plainly false.

But I really want to know about that statement you attributed to me. Where was that???

Never mind. I think I see it now. I thought you meant the entire paragraph, but I suppose this was my statement. "The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me." So what in that is dismissive of George Floyd? It does not equate peaceful protests with rioting. I COMPLETELY OWN IT because it is a fair and honest statement. Some protested peacefully while others rioted. Those were, in both cases, decisions that were made. Stop being so sensitive. It is the rioting and the complete silence about thousands of murdered black Americans from a group that professes to care about black lives that bothers me a great deal. I don't understand that. If the day ever comes, and we hope it doesn't, that your house or business is destroyed by rioters, then it will be interesting to see what you post here the next day. I bet you will be singing a different tune.

Take to the streets about police brutality if you want. In the cases where it occurs, it needs to stop and I agree with that completely, but you might want to put some effort into a much, much, much larger area of need. Everyone deserves protection and justice.

[paraclete]

That was not the purpose of the tithe in Israel. The tithe went to the Levites to support them and allow them to be fully committed to the work of OT ministry. It was their inheritance and their due.

There was a tithe every third year that was for the support of the poor, so it amounted to about 3% a year, but that was not the primary tithe nor the tithe that is generally being referred to when the term is used.

The third year tithe was used to support foreigners, the local synagogue and charitable purposes (poor) why else did God say pay the tithe so there should be food in my house, the other tithes were used for visits to the temple which was an annual requirement, it was consumed by the people, and the levites were supported by the offerings. You really do need to work on your lack of knowledge, there is a lot of false teaching associated with OT tithes and there is no such thing as a NT tithe so the discussion is moot, like so many here

[talaniman]

There has been no silence about black on black crime. You have just been incapable of hearing it. As a black guy I know full well I could be a victim of it rather easily, or my kids or grand kids, but what makes it worse is when you call a cop, I could end up as their victim as well. Heck I could end up a victim without calling them for a crime, just by going about my business. Or just out for a jog. Or sleeping peacefully in my bed with my wife.

You have to step back and see just being black can land you in jail, or a victim in America and not just from criminals. So with respect, those so called isolated incidence are VERY much related to the everyday black on black crimes you keep pointing out. Two trees in the bigger forest. Of course the guy who doesn't know racists can never relate to it's effects over the centuries to the people it targets. Nor address effectively the issues it raises in the bigger picture.

Indeed my friend if all you see are the victims of black on black crime which I prefer to just say CRIME, do you see the others who live in the environment of poverty and violence who aren't criminals? Poverty is the bigger picture and economic and health insecurities that come with it. If you can't call a cop, banker, doctor, mayor, or president then who ya gonna call?

The long running struggle continues my friend. Thanks for the bag of groceries.

[jlisenbe]

You are very much more likely to be a victim of crime than to be a victim of police brutality. It's not even close.

Poverty is the bigger picture and economic and health insecurities that come with it. If you can't call a cop, banker, doctor, mayor, or president then who ya gonna call?

The big question is, what causes the poverty? I've already outlined some very good solutions. You don't want to accept them since they involve an exercising of personal responsibility and can't be done by simply blaming someone else.

[talaniman]

You are very much more likely to be a victim of crime than to be a victim of police brutality. It's not even close.

And when it does happen that's no big deal for my fellow blacks brothers since those cops that kill us will blame us and face no consequences? You may never even hear about it unless a video goes viral. Obviously you haven't since it doesn't affect YOU! It's does affect me though! So your statistics mean nothing when you can put a face or life behind them.

Close may count in horseshoes, but not in the reality of LIFE!

The big question is, what causes the poverty? I've already outlined some very good solutions. You don't want to accept them since they involve an exercising of personal responsibility and can't be done by simply blaming someone else.

The definition of racism, being in control of the life of another because of skin color, easily found by zip codes. Racism is the oft used tool of the dominate race/class! That's the root of poverty, control the money. Ask your local slum lord how that works. Ask your local government what happens when you segregate poor people in one place especially by race.

No I don't accept your solutions, nor the premise they are based on. You don't accept mine either, so the discussion continues.

[jlisenbe]

The third year tithe was used to support foreigners, the local synagogue and charitable purposes (poor) why else did God say pay the tithe so there should be food in my house, the other tithes were used for visits to the temple which was an annual requirement, it was consumed by the people, and the levites were supported by the offerings. You really do need to work on your lack of knowledge, there is a lot of false teaching associated with OT tithes and there is no such thing as a NT tithe so the discussion is moot, like so many here

1. Tithe to Levites. Num. 18:26. "Speak to the Levites and say to them: 'When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD's offering.'"

So that is the first tithe, the inheritance which rightly belonged to the Levites since they received no land. It was their due, and they then took a tithe of that and gave it to the priests, the sons of Aaron. It is the tithe referred to in Malachi which they were not receiving and thus had to work, making them unable to properly tend to their ministry duties.

2. Dt. 14:22. "22Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own."

This tithe was to be consumed in a period of rejoicing and feasting every year.

3. Dt. 26:12. "When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied."

This was the every third year tithe which was dedicated to supporting the poor. That's why I said it amounted to about 3%.

You really do need to work on your lack of knowledge

That good enough for you? It does not differ from what I said before. The part you are missing is that the first tithe was the inheritance of the Levites. They did not get land in the manner that the other tribes did, so they were to receive the produce of one acre out of every ten.

[jlisenbe]

statistics mean nothing

The motto of all good liberal dems. "Ignore the facts! Just listen to our rhetoric."

The definition of racism, being in control of the life of another because of skin color, easily found by zip codes. Racism is the oft used tool of the dominate race/class! That's the root of poverty, control the money. Ask your local slum lord how that works. Ask your local government what happens when you segregate poor people in one place especially by race.

No one is in control of your life but you. Stop whining. When a woman makes a decision to have three children out of wedlock, she increases the risk of poverty for all four members of that family. It is dumb and needs to stop, but you don't like it since you can't blame it on others and hence would have to accept responsibility.

[Wondergirl]

When a woman makes a decision to have three children out of wedlock

She makes a decision to do this?

[jlisenbe]

She makes a decision to do this?

Well, it doesn't happen by accident. Most of the time it seems to require two people doing you know what. If the woman does not do you know what, then I'm pretty sure she will not become pregnant.

[Wondergirl]

Well, it doesn't happen by accident. Most of the time it seems to require two people doing you know what. If the woman does not do you know what, then I'm pretty sure she will not become pregnant.

And if he keeps his pants zipped, it won't happen.

[jlisenbe]

Exactly correct. So we can join together in a call for men and women to behave responsibly and prevent out of wedlock pregnancies??

[paraclete]

And if he keeps his pants zipped, it won't happen.

and if a woman keeps her legs closed it won't happen, endless argument as old as time and serving no purpose since human nature is self gratification

[Wondergirl]

human nature is self gratification

And that's what each needs to do -- keep that gratification to oneself.

[jlisenbe]

So again. "Can (we) join together in a call for men and women to behave responsibly and prevent out of wedlock pregnancies??