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talaniman · Apr 21, 2020, 09:28 AM

I agree with most of what you said but the mitigating argument is after the health care/hospital system is kept stable the focus and priority must be ramping up RELIABLE testing protocols and supply chains that facilitate those tests. Heck everybody screens for drug use for new hires and random testing for all employees. Yes the virus challenge is daunting and has changed things but can't we make adjustments as we learn and adopt?

Aren't those video visits great? Stay well my friend.

jlisenbe · Apr 21, 2020, 09:45 AM

This isolation protocol is unsustainable .

I predict you will see an uptick in the death rates when people start going back to work no matter when restrictions are lifted . Still it has to be done . This isolation protocol is unsustainable . It creates it's own public health issues .

Yep. Risk management at work. We think the virus is bad, but if this economy goes south and stays there, then we will get a new definition of bad.

Have a friend in Zimbabwe. They are all VERY concerned about this virus. Unemployment there is well over 50%. Doctors are few and far between. Money is very, very scarce. Everyone is locked in their homes, but that can't continue forever. We are such a blessed country to have what we have. We are living in great abundance. Even the poor in America have abundance compared to many other parts of the world. If you don't believe that, then you need to get out more.

tomder55 · Apr 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

Aren't those video visits great? Stay well my friend.

I would not have minded getting a chest x ray .But I refuse to go to the emergency room unless my symptoms get much worse .

Wondergirl · Apr 21, 2020, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I would not have minded getting a chest x ray .But I refuse to go to the emergency room unless my symptoms get much worse .

Won't your primary slide you through, right into getting a chest x-ray at the hospital? There are portable units available; one might even be brought to your home. Or, what about a walk-in clinic that does x-rays? Of course, call first to find out any of the above is available.

Avoid ER right now! Even back in normal times, too often it was a zoo. During my last visit in May 2018, an unattended and mostly naked patient jumped off the exam table that was in a curtained cubicle and ran up and down the hallway.

talaniman · Apr 21, 2020, 11:43 AM

We have private imaging and testing clinics appointments only. Our separate GP's also share a lab. Same healthcare network.

tomder55 · Apr 21, 2020, 12:24 PM

Our hospital won't do testing unless you are already a patient at the hospital . I had to show up at 8 AM to a public park converted to a testing location . Drive into a tent and then take the alien probe up the nose . I will explore other options if I get worse .

jlisenbe · Apr 21, 2020, 02:35 PM

Hope you get better soon, Tom.

talaniman · Apr 24, 2020, 04:07 AM

Well folks give him credit for trying! After his hydroxychloroquine cure being debunked he has a new cure for his Faux News audience to get behind. Lysol injections and sticking ultra violet lights down your throats. Heat and light would be an excellent treatment for those infected with the virus. He even dragged a Homeland Security official with him to his presser to show his "suggestion" was being taken seriously, and touted to doctors in his administration. When asked what Dr. Binx though of this idea, she said she never heard of this treatment before, but heat was a good treatment for the flue, no reference to the virus.

Noteworthy was her visible cringing discomfort through out his rifting presser. This follows his other presser when he claimed the virus would disappear when the weather warmed, and yet another presser that claims it was going to disappear and not come back, while not just his own experts dispute, but everybody else too!

I'll leave it to you for the world wide reaction to his latest words and antics, which was met with incredulous skepticism and out right derision. If you're not rolling your eyes in total disgust at this point, I have to question your sanity.

jlisenbe · Apr 24, 2020, 05:02 AM

I listened to the link. At no point did Trump suggest injecting Lysol into people or sticking lights down their throats, so where did you get this from? He talked about the potential benefits of UV light and heat, both of which are hardly radical.

The hydroxy cure has not been debunked. Several studies came out supporting it and you were doubtful. One study comes out negative and all of a sudden you have your mind made up. It's sad and sick that you liberals so desperately want that drug to not work just so you can increase your criticism of Trump.

talaniman · Apr 24, 2020, 05:24 AM

I'll admit readily to a bit of editorial exageration in presenting what the dufus rifted as I know you would point out that's not what he said JL, and miss entirely he did say disinfectants, which you must think is viable as heat, and UV's. It's NOT, and experts have said so, and for non doctor types like the dufus with his public position, don't you think he should have run that by his experts before he blurted stuff like that out? Or was he just distracting from the fact he is an utter dufus with no clue, and everybody around him is enabling his idiocy with silence and the strongest of push back. I mean he got away with the hydroxy deaths, because we sluffed it off as crazy, instead of recognizing even one person listening and acting on his ludicrous suggestions is one to many, and there are those that will. That's what makes him dangerous, he is listened to.

Case in point is your own acceptance of his ideas, and refusal to call it crazy as hell, suggesting you and the dufus share a common lunacy. Please don't drink the Lysol with or without bleach, and for god sake don't stick a black light up your arse! Now most of this post is tongue and cheek, to lighten up a serious subject and should not be taken radically personal. Chalk it up to cabin fever.

Sunshine and great weather will do that to even the most ardent hermit!

jlisenbe · Apr 24, 2020, 05:29 AM

a bit of editorial exageration

Is that what it's called now? I would call it something else. And isn't it funny how it's actually all my fault? That really made me laugh.

I mean he got away with the hydroxy deaths

Your TDS desperately needs treatment.

As to the rest of your post, you first posted a complete lie and then you got called on it, so now you want to run someone else down. Good luck with that. Next time try posting the truth.

talaniman · Apr 24, 2020, 06:03 AM

But JL, his suggestion for a cure was crazy as hell, and you found it viable, or not radical? That's as far from the truth as anything I posted, so maybe you should consider getting some UV rays yourself...safely with a brisk walk outside in the sun. Do you some good. You could also consider the parallels in our previous response to the 1917 pandemic to what we see today. Eye opening right down to the flat earther protests of the shutdowns, and reopening the economy to soon with disastrous results.

PS

Your TDS is but the opposite of the spectrum as mine so when YOU get treated, so will I, which I admit can only be treated when the dufus leaves office. Then we can disinfect the WH. That's the only known cure.

paraclete · Apr 24, 2020, 06:17 AM

Tal, Trump is just an opportinist and should not be listened to, you and I agree on that, but this will be over either way before he leaves office. he is in panic mode, he desperately needs both a cure and a stable economy

jlisenbe · Apr 24, 2020, 07:27 AM

But JL, his suggestion for a cure was crazy as hell, and you found it viable, or not radical? That's as far from the truth as anything I posted, so maybe you should consider getting some UV rays yourself..

And you are still, shall we say, inflating the truth. I never said I found his statement to be viable. I did say that your statement was flatly untrue, just like the one here is. If you want to be Mr. Judge and Jury about Trump lying, then maybe you should be a lot more careful with the truth yourself. That is the third statement made about Trump by libs on this board in the past two or three days that were just absolutely untrue. When you call Trump a liar, just consider how that might apply to those statements.

talaniman · Apr 24, 2020, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

And you are still, shall we say, inflating the truth. I never said I found his statement to be viable. I did say that your statement was flatly untrue, just like the one here is. If you want to be Mr. Judge and Jury about Trump lying, then maybe you should be a lot more careful with the truth yourself. That is the third statement made about Trump by libs on this board in the past two or three days that were just absolutely untrue. When you call Trump a liar, just consider how that might apply to those statements.

You think I miss how you exclude qualifiers in your quote of others? No wonder you miss nuances because you omit them.

his suggestion for a cure was crazy as hell, and you found it viable, or not radical?

Expression of opinions of the dufus may well be judgmental, and HARSH, but he is a loose lipped lying dufus and that's just a fact you need to accept, and while you can agree or not, I have every much a right to express my opinion as you do and it would help if you quote people in entirety before you blast them as untruthful.

jlisenbe · Apr 24, 2020, 08:38 AM

You think I miss how you exclude qualifiers in your quote of others? No wonder you miss nuances because you omit them.

All this talk of "qualifiers" and "nuances" is just a smokescreen. You posted false information and that's all there is to it.

he is a loose lipped lying dufus

Like the people on this board who have posted fake quotes from him the past two days? Like them?

I have every much a right to express my opinion as you do and it would help if you quote people in entirety before you blast them as untruthful.

I support your right to express your opinion. I also support my right to point out when you are being dishonest. If I misquote someone, then point it out and we can deal with it. Otherwise, your generalized accusations are just there to make you feel a little better about yourself.

Wondergirl · Apr 24, 2020, 09:25 AM

It's sad and sick that you liberals so desperately want that drug to not work just so you can increase your criticism of Trump.

Liberals and sane people who do not hang on his every word agree Trump has no business talking about anything medical or suggested treatments and cures. That's why he has medical experts on stage with him.

tomder55 · Apr 24, 2020, 09:42 AM

the jury is out on the drug .some non-peer reviewed studies say there is a benefit . Other non-peer reviewed studies say something else. All we have is anecdotal evidence one way or the other . But as I said . Novartis is going to do an extensive FDA approved study that should give answers

While we are on the subject of the drug :
The narrative goes that Rick Bright ,an official at HHS was going to be fired because he opposed the promotion of the drug.
That is a FALSE narrative . In truth ,he was one of the early promoters of the Drug. He sent out a letter March 28 to the FDA seeking Emergency Use Authorization for hydroxychloroquine.

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/dow...LxxrBxp8rFMOX4

The truth is that he was just a contentious individual who frequently clashed with others in the agency. When he found out that he was going to get canned he decide to become the next heroic whistle blower .

He has now hired Debra Katz and Lisa Banks, who represented Christine Blasey Ford . It is going to be Kavanaugh 2.0

talaniman · Apr 24, 2020, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

All this talk of "qualifiers" and "nuances" is just a smokescreen. You posted false information and that's all there is to it.

No I didn't, go back and review the tapes of his pressers and learn to quote complete sentences, and get off the semantical dancing. That would help the communications or ASK did you mean...! Then we don't have to deal with DISHONESTY, or false information. Trust but verify dude.

Like the people on this board who have posted fake quotes from him the past two days? Like them?

Like the one I showed that you omitted the qualifier OR from!

I support your right to express your opinion. I also support my right to point out when you are being dishonest. If I misquote someone, then point it out and we can deal with it. Otherwise, your generalized accusations are just there to make you feel a little better about yourself.

Point all you want but PROVE me wrong before you jump to your own conclusions.

talaniman · Apr 24, 2020, 01:05 PM

I thought it hilarious when he tried to prompt the experts to agree with him and they stuck to his guns. I'm also aware that Dr. Bright was in on approval for hydroxyC for emergency use only as the letter states, for CV19, and even that states no treatments or cures and maybe it was worth a shot given we had NOTHING.