[tomder55]

they can apply after they enter the country ILLEGALLY during hearings to determine if they are eligible or should be deported . That is the f~n loophole that has hundreds of thousands of them attempting it .I disagree with the law . Build the wall or use A-10s on them to prevent this invasion .
The open border people encouraged this crisis with typical radical lefty

Cloward and Piven thinking . You know and I know that the only real purpose of this is to overwhelm the social safety net by granting benefits to more people than the system can provide for . That is why ALL the candidates in the Dem debates raised their hand when asked if they would provide free health care for all illegals . I really don't know who you think you are fooling . Cloward and Pivin outlined this strategergy in 1966 .

[talaniman]

Why didn't repubs change the law when they had the votes? Go ahead and say it, they were incompetent, or they think it's a wedge issue to rile up the base. Yeah we need Mitch to give us an excuse why that didn't happen and why you now blame dems and liberals for that open borders BS. As JL says nothing but election year politics.

We both know undocumented migrants can get work, and do, just ask the dufus how many low wage workers he wants.

[tomder55]

I dont give Repubs a pass . Part of the reason for this is that there are too many Chamber of Commerce Repubs who only think of cheap labor. These illegals take jobs from American minorities ,legal Hispanic African American Americans who made a big investment in studying a trade . So go ahead and continue looking out for the interests of the illegals over working Americans .

[talaniman]

Well if you're going to be a nation of laws seems you should follow that law to me. Going around or against the law is a definition of criminality which is illegal. If 90% of migrants are adjudicated in court and deported then the law works and that's in our interests.

Hey did I just describe the dufus, he thinks he is above the law, and those men, women, and children who walked miles for safety and security and yes freedom are rapists, criminals and terrorists, which we know are LIES. How is that in our interests? Capitalists don't believe in the law or something?

[Athos]

What a week for Trump! He was against it, then for it, than against it again - all within 24 hours. His head must be spinning. The oh so brave Republicans remain silent as always, even in the face of a clear evil. About 4 spoke out.

[jlisenbe]

The oh so brave Republicans remain silent as always, even in the face of a clear evil. About 4 spoke out.

About as brave and silent as the dems were when Obama had the VA scandal, the IRS scandal, the Benghazi disaster, and the Clinton email scandal. No one was ever held responsible for any of them.

Politics. Stinkin politics.

[Athos]

About as brave and silent as the dems were when Obama had the VA scandal, the IRS scandal, the Benghazi disaster, and the Clinton email scandal. No one was ever held responsible for any of them.

The VA scandal had little/nothing to do with Obama. In fact, he investigated and made improvements to the degree that both Reps and Dems agreed that VA service was about the same as private hospital service.

The IRS scandal was even less. The evidence showed that both left and right orgs were looked at. The investigation, promoted by Republicans, was ended and even Trump did not re-open it.

Benghazi has been done to death here and elsewhere. After 8+ investigations, no fault of HC was determined. But the loony right just won't give it up.

Clinton emails were released through the Russians after Trump made a public request to them. Trump says he was joking, but the timing makes him a liar, as usual.

You end by complaining no one was ever held responsible for them. But you are blaming the Dems silence??

I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Uranium business - a favorite of the loonies. Have they finally given up on that one? (Rhetorical).

[jlisenbe]

After two years and millions of dollars, Mueller's team of liberal democrats could not demonstrate there was any collusion between the Russkies and the Trump team. At least we do know that there was a VA scandal, there was a Clinton email scandal, and there were four Americans needlessly killed in Benghazi, and that no one was ever held accountable for any of it. And now we have the silliness of Trump and four pathetic congresswomen.

Maybe it's time to move on and try to solve some real problems like skyrocketing medical costs, the budget deficit, and how to secure the southern border.

[Athos]

After two years and millions of dollars, Mueller's team of liberal democrats could not demonstrate there was any collusion between the Russkies and the Trump team. At least we do know that there was a VA scandal, there was a Clinton email scandal, and there were four Americans needlessly killed in Benghazi, and that no one was ever held accountable for any of it. And now we have the silliness of Trump and four pathetic congresswomen.

Maybe it's time to move on and try to solve some real problems like skyrocketing medical costs, the budget deficit, and how to secure the southern border.

Mueller's a Repub. Liberal Democrats? Did you mean investigative attorneys and FBI investigators? "Liberal Democrats" is right out of the mouth of Trump. So you are charging Mueller with bias? What's the evidence?

Mueller clearly pointed out the attempts of the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election - probably swinging the election to Trump, Russia's choice. I can't prove that, but it seems pretty clear based on the attempts of the Russians to make connections to Trump's campaign and their obvious efforts at Facebook and other internet areas. Read the report.

Mueller showed at least 10 instances of obstructions of justice by Trump. They're as plain as the nose on your face. Stay tuned. Trump will be perp-walking January 20, 2021.

[jlisenbe]

Liberal Democrats? Did you mean investigative attorneys and FBI investigators? "Liberal Democrats" is right out of the mouth of Trump.

It was documented by the Wash Post that the people Mueller hired were democrat party donors. I've never met a conservative democrat, so that they are liberal is practically a matter of definition. I am not suggesting they were dishonest. In fact, it is just the opposite. They had ample reason to turn over every rock possible to try and demonstrate guilt and were unable, so let's move on. Enough is enough.

Mueller clearly pointed out the attempts of the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election - probably swinging the election to Trump, Russia's choice. I can't prove that,

"Probably swinging" and "I can't prove that" demonstrate why we need to move on. The dems whined and whined until the Mueller probe was started, confident it would accomplish their wishes. Now that their hopes have been dashed, they insist on yet more public hearings. It's all stinkin politics. That the party of Hillary Clinton would pretend to be outraged about corrupt politics is quite a scene.

There is a large forest of other issues that need attention. I've had it with this nonsense. The dems were not elected to do this. Move on and try to tackle the truly difficult issues, hopefully not led by your four inept, amateur congresswomen.

[paraclete]

There is a large forest of other issues that need attention. I've had it with this nonsense.

Now there is a statement, time to fly to the Moon, colonise Mars, play golf, hold rallies and focus on non issues. Please build a wall to keep all this inside america

[Athos]

They had ample reason to turn over every rock possible to try and demonstrate guilt and were unable,.

They DID demonstrate guilt! But they were unable to indict because of DOJ rules. You should try to keep up. Now that Trump is soon to be exposed re obstruction, you want to move on - just like Trump. I get it. Keep Wednesday night open.

The dems whined and whined until the Mueller probe was started

Mueller was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, a Republican.

Now that their hopes have been dashed, they insist on yet more public hearings. It's all stinkin politics.

Sure - as the noose tightens around your boy, Trump, call it stinkin politics and move on. Lol, I get that, too!

I've had it with this nonsense. The dems were not elected to do this.

Of course, they were. It's part of their job to keep an eye on the president, especially when he's a crook.

hopefully not led by your four inept, amateur congresswomen.

Ah, the diversion tactic. If nothing else, you are certainly consistent.

[jlisenbe]

Ah, the diversion tactic. If nothing else, you are certainly consistent.

They've been in the news a lot, and there is speculation that they are exerting a great deal of influence in your party. If you don't believe that, ask the Speaker.

Sure - as the noose tightens around your boy, Trump,

That one made me laugh. Your imaginary noose.

[Athos]

I am not a member of the Democratic party. For political party purposes and voting, I am considered an independent. That means I sometimes support issues from the right of center and sometimes from the left, leaving me, on average, in the center.

[jlisenbe]

I am also an independent. I am not a Trump supporter, but I am what I guess you could call a Trump appreciator, referring to some things he has done that have been positive. I would much prefer he keep his mouth closed and have someone close his Twitter account.

[talaniman]

Well that's not happening so keep holding your nose.

[jlisenbe]

Well that's not happening so keep holding your nose.

You are right about that. I'll keep holding my nose and being thankful every day that HC is not the pres of the United States. To have as pres someone who thought having an amateur email server in her bathroom was a really good idea would have been a disaster.

[talaniman]

Well if you like a guy who talks fear, and hate the dufus is definitely your guy and he was talking against the government long before he took over the repub party. Now he cries when others raise dissenting voices. What hypocrisy, while the guy in the poorest state in the union wants to tell everybody else why they are poor. Dude you're a real hoot.

[jlisenbe]

What hypocrisy, while the guy in the poorest state in the union wants to tell everybody else why they are poor. Dude you're a real hoot.

Because I see it everyday. I worked with those kids for over thirty years. I've seen the problems it causes. I'll put my experience with this problem up against yours or anyone else on this board. I know you don't seem to care. It doesn't fit your political agenda to really, genuinely look at problems and what causes them. It's a lot easier to toss around a few platitudes and say, "Well, we might have historic low black unemployment, but it's still higher than the average," and so try to thrown the whole thing off on, I guess, racism, or to refer to the poorest state in the Union, whatever point that might make. Very easy thing to do, which is why a lot of libs do it, but it solves nothing.

It really irritates me that you cannot get anyone even one ounce interested in trying to solve the greatest social ill of our day. If that 70% figure could be reduced to even 20%, it would be such a great step forward in so many ways, but so few people care. Pitiful.

[jlisenbe]

I know you care, Tal. I don't doubt that. Like I said, it's frustrating. Such a straight-forward problem, but it's hard to find allies.