[talaniman]

Well Clete you certainly have the right to dig in the dirt, and sell that dirt to anyone who wants to burn that dirt, and poison their air to light their houses. Have at it while the rest of us explore and develop better ideas than that. And good luck to getting rich people not to buy and build their beachfront property, or luxury hotel chains to relocate their resorts to the middle of the continent.

I don't think your politicians give a crap about what the rich guy is saying. And good luck to all those Asians who can't come to your country, but want your dirt.

[tomder55]

The UN IPCC is now backing down from their fear mongering and saying that it's unlikely there'll be any dangerous warming in this century.

That being said ;look at the innovation between 1914 and 2000 .... Do you think there will be any less in the next century ?

[talaniman]

Or the next decades Tom.

[paraclete]

Do you think there will be any less in the next century ?

I think the concern is whether there will be a next century. Look I know what we are doing is unsustainable but so are our current responses, solar and wind are not viable alternatives and they are just as polluting in the production phases, it is a zero sum net gain, but why should we beggar ourselves while the rest of the world plays games. We are already reducing our CO2 way beyond targets but it won't make any difference. We actually have bigger fish to fry and we are ignoring it, the soaring population is the real problem, not a degree in temperature

[talaniman]

I figure the more we play with making new energy sources workable, the better we get at it. We do nothing, then we are stuck on fossil fuel. Why be stuck?

Crawl back in your cave if you are't up to the challenge of evolving and getting better. I'm surprised you bother with shoes with that kind of pessimism.

[paraclete]

I only wear shoes half the day tal in those times I don't want anything squishy between my toes. I don't live in a cave, not enough caves to go around which is the point, isn't it? you see that getting all over emotive and making stupid comments does nothing to address the real problem, back when I was born, when the Earth had a population of three billion, we were a long way from this climate problem, wasn't a concern, but the emissions exist because of population. it is rediculous to be providing a solution which costs up to four times as much with no sum gain. It is a pipe dream to think that all of humanity is going to have its energy supplied by alternative energy. I heard the other day fusion is back on the agenda, what a crock, inventing something like that to solve a simple problem. It could all be solved in a century with population control

[tomder55]

The future humanity faces is not one of overpopulation, but of depopulation. Human population will peak by 2050 ;if not before . The population of the world will begin to plummet in a little over four decades. Between 2040 and 2050, the world’s population will decrease by about 85 million. World population will decrease by roughly 25 percent each successive generation after .

[paraclete]

really tom what makes you think that, a few million every generation? there is no plan, and if you think this is the result of poor food supply, war will escalate any numbers. There could be a pandemic these have reduced population from 25 to 50% in a short time, ebola is out of control in Africa right now and your own idiots are experiementing with live anthrax. Anyway we don't have a hundred years or a millenium. 25% a generation, so extinction in thirty generations by your theory. Do the math.

I'd back the abo their technology allowed them to survive isolated for forty thousand years so we win afterall

[talaniman]

And your solution for population control would be what?

[paraclete]

Start with segregation and enforced birth control until 25 years of age and a limit on procreation say no more than two children. It puts the abortion industry out of business and introduces some sense into the process but more would be needed, we need a complete change in the moral fabric of the society

[tomder55]

Clete I'm suprised you still believe in the Ehrlich Malthusian lie.

really tom what makes you think that, ...?

World populations to stop growing in 2050? - Economic Times

[talaniman]

But how would you enforce your new moral restrictions?

[NeedKarma]

Start with segregation and enforced birth control until 25 years of age and a limit on procreation say no more than two children. It puts the abortion industry out of business and introduces some sense into the process but more would be needed, we need a complete change in the moral fabric of the society

Is this what you preach on your christian radio station?
Scary stuff.

[paraclete]

No karma I was asked for a personal opinion but I certainly would preach that we need a complete change in the moral fabric of our society if we are going to solve our problems. heddonism is the problem which leds to unwanted pregnancies, etc, etc, etc. at least I'm prepared to say so

[NeedKarma]

I think it's more the lack of caring parenting. Parents now are chasing the appearance of wealth as the main goal of life, kids be damned.

[talaniman]

Here we go with this MORALS thing which of course means YOUR morals you want everyone to fall in line with and the deviants are condemned to hell. Good Luck with that.

I see the problem as a logistical one, and the problem of hoarding resources is the root cause of the problem.

[tomder55]

when all is said and done ,the human race will regret it's genocidal infanticide .

[talaniman]

I think we will regret making abortions obsolete with science instead of religious zealotry, the same dynamic that drives wars and conflicts. Both a waste of human resource.

[paraclete]

Tom have you read that article 15.8 billion as a high estimate, no doubt brought to us by the same brilliant minds who brought us AGW modelling

Tal there is a lot of waste of human resource, I suggest you mobilise the waste of human resource you have all around you as a start, it might lead to less abortions

[talaniman]

Science and education lead to less abortions, so educate yourself. Or ask the educated females. LOL, Clete, you probably waste as much of your human resources around you as you say we do so what's your problem?

Never mind, you obviously think with your hate and prejudice, and identify paradise and morality with the smell of your own farts. Must be nice to ignore your own stink, and criticize everyone else's. Typical of fundamentalists everywhere.