[Tuttyd]

And again another example of the left wanting it both ways.

I'm not the left. What makes you think that I am?

[talaniman]

Private schools like private business are for profit, and is a solution that misses the root problem of failing schools in filing communities. Privatizing and closing public schools is profitable, and shifts money from communities to corporations and allows for changes in curriculum that push some misguided stuff that religions push.

The very thing that the right says the left is doing. No body has answered the question of what happens when the private seats are filled? Or those parents that cannot take kids to those private schools or pick them up when there is no free bus.

To bad for them huh? Louisiana is a good example of the problems in private companies sucking money from taxpayers for profit, and the kids are commodities. So its not really affirmative action, but a broken business model.

[tomder55]

Who says you cut off busing ? Geeze ,the parents need to get something from their school tax money . They certainly isn't getting their kids educated with the money.

[talaniman]

Neither are the private schools since it's a wash on who does a better job. I suspect it depends more on the parents than who builds and maintains the buildings. You talk of choices. Most of those choices are made by parents looking for a good neighborhood with good schools nearby. As the middle class shrinks, so do the middle class communities.

You still have the same problem, poor communities. Free bus or not. Its cost shifting, and leaves more people who cannot avail themselves of good schools are left behind to fend for themselves.

The trend is that those bussed students really do no better than when they weren't bussed and still go back to that same poor underfunded community. The trend is also on what does this experiment gains besides money in the private sector when religion and science is indistinguishable from each other as indeed as in Louisiana its shown through test result data that's what's acceptable in school tests, falls short of acceptable in a broader academic view.

That may be great for the south, but a student that moves somewhere else quickly learns that rigid thinking limits his/her options and opportunities for advancement just because they are not well prepared to compete on a higher level, with more competition, than they have been taught.

[speechlesstx]

I'm not the left. What makes you think that I am?

I wasn't referring to you. How's that?

[speechlesstx]

Private schools like private business are for profit,

First you complain about religious schools being included in the voucher program then you complain that private schools are in it for a profit. Uh, no. But even so, if they were in it for profit the way to make a profit is to furnish a quality product - but then I know how you lefties hate competition so I understand. And that is why public schools hate vouchers, they lose money for those students that jump their sinking ship.

[talaniman]

You are right I have issues with both that are in my view self serving unto themselves. It not a left or right thing that you apply to everything though, its and equal and fairness thing to me.

I would gladly zero the corporate taxes if they sponsored education, from pre K through college, and afforded everyone an opportunity to be trained and educated, and employed gainfully to contribute to the welfare of the whole and not the few.

Then you wouldn't need all those government safety net programs to service a growing number of poor people and disadvantaged.

[tomder55]

Corporate sponsorship of public schools already happens... and the lefties pan that too.

[NeedKarma]

and the lefties pan that too.

You're all for corporate sponsorship of public schools?

[tomder55]

Certainly... what's the down side ?

[NeedKarma]

So you're also OK the corporate sponsorship of your politicians?

[tomder55]

Not the same thing.. it works out good for the schools and the corporations.. schools get computers... Apple gets future clientele . Schools get additional funding ,corporations get an educated work force .

[NeedKarma]

not the same thing .

Oh but it is very similar. This is why you guys are in the bind you are.

[tomder55]

Nonsense this is not a donation for writing favorable laws . This is an investment in the future .The only quid pro quo I see from the deal is that occasionally the corporation gets naming rights .

[talaniman]

So you're also ok the corporate sponsorship of your politicians?

not the same thing .. it works out good for the schools and the corporations.. schools get computers ....Apple gets future clientele . Schools get additional funding ,corporations get an educated work force .

Its exactly the same thing except the cost of doing business by buying politicians doesn't cover poverty and the working poor. They have no money, and no power.

Its no accident, its intentional. It's the second oldest game in history, buying power, and influence and ignoring the great unwashed masses.

[tomder55]

Yeah like Apple giving away all those computers to schools.. your contempt clouds your mind.

[talaniman]

The exception to the rule, but he also puts half his wealth into charities through foundations he runs and directs, and benefits financially from, and has encouraged others to do the same with their wealth.

Its called philanthropy and its rather profitable at tax time.

[NeedKarma]

like Apple giving away all those computers to schools

Wait a minute, you think it's just out of the goodness of their hearts?

[speechlesstx]

Wait a minute, you think it's just out of the goodness of their hearts?

I can't speak for tom but probably not entirely, I believe he said something about getting future customers. But why does it matter if everyone benefits?

[tomder55]

As opposed to the left that loves to be benevolent and philanthropic with other people's money .