[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

We BOTH want him to get the nomination, don't we?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

We BOTH want him to get the nomination, don't we?

excon

I'm not picking anyone yet, but I'm loving the show so far. There's nothing to worry about right, what's to fear about a one term senator who's done nothing possibly being the leader of the country?

[tomder55]

The bar has been set . Scott Brown is hangin in Iowa too.

[excon]

Hello again,

So, if Obama fails because he's a rookie, you're going to bring in your own rookie... THAT'S a good plan..

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[talaniman]

Yeah bring in your rookie!!

[smoothy]

Michael Jordon was a rookie once...

And some rookies like Obama choke when the spotlight hits them and they have to perform rather than talk.

[tomder55]

Rookie ? The emperor didn't stay in the league long enough to qualify as a rookie.

[smoothy]

rookie ? the emperor didn't stay in the league long enough to qualify as a rookie.

True... all he did was talk about playing ball... he never actually played a game that mattered. And it shows.

[tomder55]

Tom it is obvious we had a vast sea in the inland too, I have travelled across gibber plain, ancient sea bed. But what this tells us is that things change over time so I agree change is normal. It is not Krakotoa and similar we get those every century somewhere but the supervolcanoes in Yellowstone and Rotarua that change the climate for centuries, millennia and we are overdue for such an eruption. I am concerned that they might exist where we know nothing about them. We are five volcanoes away from nuclear winter at any time

or it could be heat from below .

The Greenland ice sheet is melting from below, caused by a high heat flow from the mantle into the lithosphere. This influence is very variable spatially and has its origin in an exceptionally thin lithosphere. Consequently, there is an increased heat flow from the mantle and a complex interplay between this geothermal heating and the Greenland ice sheet. The international research initiative IceGeoHeat led by the GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences establishes in the current online issue of Nature Geoscience (Vol 6, August 11, 2013) that this effect cannot be neglected when modeling the ice sheet as part of a climate study.

Heat flow from Earth's mantle contributes to Greenland ice melting

[paraclete]

Tom I have long said that CO2 is not the sole contributor in fact human activity only accounts for about 20%, irrespective of what the wankers at the UN think, this is why temperature rises have flattened and their models don't work, but I don't subscribe entirely to the heat from below theory, where was all this heat during the ice ages. We need to get back to planting trees not cutting them down and stop thinking about them as a sustainable resource

[talaniman]

Polluting the air, land, and water has no effect on the environment, or the people animals and insects in it? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

[paraclete]

CO2 as a pollutant is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

[talaniman]

Is Carbon Dioxide a Pollutant? | Weather Underground

Throwing off the natural balance of CO2 kills life on Earth.

[paraclete]

Who is the arbiteur of what is the natural balance? Just because we have a level at this moment doesn't make it the natural balance, just a balance at this point in time because this is what we observe

[talaniman]

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[paraclete]

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[tomder55]

where was all this heat during the ice ages. We need to get back to planting trees not cutting them down and stop thinking about them as a sustainable resource

Well I already explained my pet hypothesis that the natural state of the planet is warm with a higher concentration of carbon in the atmosphere. Before the ice ages there were tropical forests at the North Poll. Fossil records prove that. This was during the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum . This was probably assisted by a heat from below event... either that or the dinosaurs were driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air via smoke stacks .

[Tuttyd]

Well I already explained my pet hypothesis that the natural state of the planet is warm with a higher concentration of carbon in the atmosphere. Before the ice ages there were tropical forests at the North Poll. Fossil records prove that. This was during the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum . This was probably assisted by a heat from below event ......either that or the dinosaurs were driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air via smoke stacks .

Yes, but just because the natural state of the environment back then was high levels of CO2 doesn't provide justification for artificially creating high levels of CO2 now.

[speechlesstx]

So what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria of the impending man-made climate apocalypse even though the "settled science" keeps coming up short?

[Tuttyd]

So what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria of the impending man-made climate apocalypse even though the "settled science" keeps coming up short?

No gloom and doom on my part. My only concern was that the southern oceans are becoming a carbon sink for CO2. However, that wasn't the point I was making to Tom. I was suggesting that his theory is an example of affirming the consequence.