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Oct 17, 2012, 06:04 AM
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Here is the entire Rose Garden statement... including the innocuous throwaway comment about terrorism :
Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya
Rose Garden
10:43 A.M. EDT
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.
Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.
The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.
Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.
Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens's body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.
It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.
Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.
Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.
But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.
We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.
Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.
END
10:48 A.M. EDT
In context ,the President linked the attack to the 'denegration ' of Islam... i.e. the Youtube video trailer for a movie no one saw.
His comment about terrorism came after he spoke of the 9-11-2001 attacks on the US.
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Oct 17, 2012, 06:10 AM
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Hello again, tom:
You MISS the point.. This is very simple. Romney accused the president of NOT using the words, "act of terror". He was wrong, and he got CAUGHT.. That's it. All the OTHER words the president uttered are subterfuge...
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Oct 17, 2012, 06:17 AM
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It's a big leap to claim his Rose Garden address is calling the attack on the Benghazi compound a terrorist attack . For a week after the Adm sold it as a spontaneous demonstration against a video. They sent Ambassador Rice on the Sunday news shows to reinforce that false narrative . That is the only relevant issue . It's the throw away line about 'act of terror' that is subterfuge
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Oct 17, 2012, 06:29 AM
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Hello again, tom:
it's a big leap to claim his Rose Garden address is calling the attack on the Benghazi compound a terrorist attack .
This is not about "claims". It's about three little words. Romney accused the president of NOT saying them, and he was WRONG.
But, it's MORE than three little words.. It's about Romneys' incompetence... It's about his inability to lead. There's NO question that Romney was setting up the president about THOSE words.. He challenged him about them.. He raised his eyebrows and gave him a look like "I've got you now, you SOB", and he was WRONG, and he got CAUGHT.
It would seem to me, that if I were going to make a really BIG DEAL out of three words that I said WEREN'T uttered, I would have made ABSOLUTELY certain that they WEREN'T uttered. Romney didn't do that. That's a management FAILURE of monumental proportions...
Your distraction is not going to FIX that.. He's TOAST, and he SHOULD be toast.. He's a miserable FAILURE.
Excon
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Oct 17, 2012, 06:30 AM
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Let's not forget the UN address 2 weeks later where his entire focus regarding the attack was the video...
And that is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, where a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well.
For as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and every faith. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion, we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe.
We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them. I know there are some who ask why don't we just ban such a video. The answer is enshrined in our laws. Our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech.
Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. As president of our country, and commander in chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so.
(APPLAUSE)
Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views -- even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened.
We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities. We do so because, given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech -- the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift the values of understanding and mutual respect.
I know that not all countries in this body share this particular understanding of the protection of free speech. We recognize that. But in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete.
The question, then, is how we respond. And on this we must agree: There is no speech that justifies mindless violence.
(APPLAUSE)
There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy...
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Oct 17, 2012, 06:48 AM
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This is not about "claims". It's about three words. Romney accused the president of NOT saying them, and he was WRONG.
By the way, long after she quit being moderator in "correcting" Romney on the Libya thing, Candy Crowley admitted Romney was right, "He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word.”
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Oct 17, 2012, 06:56 AM
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Hello again, Steve:
Let's not forget the UN address 2 weeks later
Let's DO forget about it... It has NOTHING to do with the particular issue we're talking about. Romney accused the president of not saying the words, "act of terror". He was WRONG. That's the issue, and that's the ONLY issue...
OF COURSE, you want to DISTRACT us. I would too. It was a FAILURE of MONUMENTAL proportions.. In fact, it's going to COST him the presidency.
Excon
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Oct 17, 2012, 07:00 AM
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Nah the President's parsing of words ala Clintoon does not give him a pass that the lack of leadership on this issue falls on his desk.
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Oct 17, 2012, 07:07 AM
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Hello again, tom:
Again, this is NOT about leadership. It's about whether THREE words came out of the presidents MOUTH. Romney said they didn't. He was WRONG...
What does THAT say about his leadership of his own campaign? To me, it says that he's utterly incompetent.
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Oct 17, 2012, 07:36 AM
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ROMNEY: Yes, I -- I...
CROWLEY:... quickly to this please.
ROMNEY: I -- I think interesting the president just said something which -- which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.
OBAMA: That's what I said.
ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror.
It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying?
OBAMA: Please proceed governor.
ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.
OBAMA: Get the transcript.
CROWLEY: It -- it -- it -- he did in fact, sir. So let me -- let me call it an act of terror...
OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?
CROWLEY: He -- he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take -- it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.
ROMNEY: This -- the administration -- the administration indicated this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction.
CROWLEY: It did.
ROMNEY: It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. And to suggest -- am I incorrect in that regard, on Sunday, the -- your secretary --
OBAMA: Candy?
ROMNEY: Excuse me. The ambassador of the United Nations went on the Sunday television shows and spoke about how --
OBAMA: Candy, I'm --
ROMNEY: -- this was a spontaneous --
CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me --
OBAMA: I'm happy to have a longer conversation --
CROWLEY: I know you --
OBAMA: -- about foreign policy.
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Candy Crowley is NOW saying Romney was right and her memory played her false when she said they were both right. .
CNN's Candy Crowley: Romney Was Actually Right On Libya - YouTube
If Bob Schieffer does his due dilligence ;this conversation will continue Monday and the President won't be able to hide behind Candy Crowley's skirt.
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Oct 17, 2012, 07:41 AM
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You're really grasping at straws, ex.
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Oct 17, 2012, 07:56 AM
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Hello again, Steve:
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
You're really grasping at straws, ex.
I don't know about this straw stuff.. Me thinks, perchance, it's YOU who's grasping... Because this is very simple... It's about three little teeny words, and whether they were spoken on a certain day by a certain president...
Your guy, Romney, said they weren't. But, we KNOW they were! I don't know what else there IS to say about that. You can continue to DENY reality, or you can continue to let me beat you up. I hope you continue.. I'm having a wonderful time.
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Oct 17, 2012, 08:00 AM
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I find it comical that this is the thing that had the biggest impact in a 90 minute debate .
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Oct 17, 2012, 08:13 AM
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I find it comical, too. And like I said, Crowley DID admit Romney was right after all. And you know, even though CBS poll gave a slight edge to Romney overall, Romney hammered him on the economy 65% to 34%. That was easy against a guy that says low gas prices means a bad economy and whose idea of lowering corporate tax rates is to raise them. People are going to vote their pocketbooks and Obama is going to lose.
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Oct 17, 2012, 08:17 AM
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Hello again, tom:
I find it comical that this is the thing that had the biggest impact in a 90 minute debate .
What I find even more comical than that, is when Romney was closing, HE, himself brought attention to his 47% statement, and stuck his jaw out for the president to slug...
And, the president obliged him.
First off, Romney won the toss. How did he let Obama go last?? Big mistake. Then giving Obama THAT kind of opening was so luscious, I'm STILL chuckling over that one.. I think Obama infiltrated the Romney campaign.. It COULDN'T have been scripted any better for Obama...
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Oct 17, 2012, 08:20 AM
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Hello again, Steve:
People are going to vote their pocketbooks and Obama is going to lose.
You're right about the first part, but WRONG about the second.. That's because the people in Ohio are working BECAUSE of Obama, and they're going to reward him for it..
And, without Ohio, Romney loses.
Excon
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Oct 17, 2012, 09:46 AM
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That was easy against a guy that says low gas prices means a bad economy
I wonder how he explains the low gas prices at the end of the Clintoon reign ?
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Oct 17, 2012, 10:35 AM
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On Sept 20th Jay Carney admitted no one called the Benghazi incident terrorism.
On September 20 – eight days after Obama claims to have called the Benghazi attack an “act of terror” – Jay Carney affirmed to reporters that the White House had never called it “a terrorist attack.”
From the gaggle on Air Force One, en route Miami, 9/20/2012:
Q: Can you — have you called it a terrorist attack before? Have you said that?
MR. CARNEY: I haven’t, but – I mean, people attacked our embassy. It’s an act of terror by definition.
Q: Yes, I just hadn’t heard you –
MR. CARNEY: It doesn’t have to do with what date it occurred.
Q: No, I just hadn’t heard the White House say that this was an act of terrorism or a terrorist attack. And I just –
MR. CARNEY: I don’t think the fact that we hadn’t is not — as our NCTC Director testified yesterday, a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly in the Benghazi area. We are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda’s affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.
While Romney may have left Obama an opening it sucks for him that his lame defense based on a search of his transcripts that found the word "terror" puts it right back in the media. The fact checkers that jumped on Obama's boat last night are all admitting Obama's claim was false and Romney was right. Obama can raise his hackles all he wants, but finally coming under some media scrutiny is mad mojo for him.
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Oct 17, 2012, 11:10 AM
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Pictures leaked from Romney's office:
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Expert
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Oct 17, 2012, 01:10 PM
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Just admit the bully boss got spanked. And for the record, speculators and oil companies have more affect on price of gas than any president, since its traded as a commodity and the world market sets the price.
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