[jlisenbe]

I read your passage. How does that differ from what has already been said?

Still don't know why staff members cannot proselytize.

Still don't know why you "disagree" with abortion.

Thank goodness you have finally realized that you cannot represent a paraphrase as a quote.

Still don't know where you have found any statement by me that would even come close to suggesting that I don't approve of "unacceptable people". Sure looks like a dishonest attempt by you to smear. Shame.

Tal, that's a fair point about the rooms being purpose built. It does seem not to be the case. Still, find where Christians are given space during the school day and you might have a point. Did you read this? "Muslims were allowed "prayer accommodations" in 2013 in the public schools of Dearborn, Michigan. The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations had negotiated an arrangement with school officials in Dearborn, a suburb of Detroit.

The Dearborn school board implemented a policy that allowed a place for student prayers in all public schools and also permission to leave early on Friday for scheduled prayers."

Kind of funny that this has been done for Moslem students but not Christians.

[talaniman]

Specifically what has been done for Muslims and not for Christians? Just trying to understand your beef here and what you think you're missing. Even you're link to a handful of school district says nothing about not accommodating Christians school prayers, as well as all you seek it. he Muslim faith specifically require prayers 5 times a day so I can see certain things as reasonable.

Some people want no religious accommodations for ANY religion so I fail to see what Christians are missing out on or discriminated against.

[jlisenbe]

Moslems get to get out of class to pray. Check and see if that's done for Christians. But it's not really a beef. Just more of an observation. Student prayer groups should be encouraged.

[talaniman]

Not by teachers but I would imagine such groups are accommodated by the schools if they ask. Back in my day (our day) some groups were given excused absences or early go homes, for religious views. It was no big deal.

[Wondergirl]

Moslems get to get out of class to pray. Check and see if that's done for Christians. But it's not really a beef. Just more of an observation. Student prayer groups should be encouraged.

Christians could too. Or they can bow their heads in silent prayer. Public schools do not encourage prayer groups to be held for any religious group; it would be allowed only as a request from an individual or that group (and it would be done in a private area).

Back in the early '50s, my elementary public school in western NC allowed the Southern Baptists to spend time with students, teaching us Bible stories and having Bible verse memorizing contests (first prize was a Bible). My father refused to allow me to participate. And I wasn't alone in sitting out those sessions.

[talaniman]

They televised George Floyds' funeral today. Hope it brings some comfort to the family friends and those that cared, and some needed changes to prevent these kinds of senseless tragedies.

[jlisenbe]

Christians could too.

I don't think so, not today. Find a situation where a prayer room has been set aside for Christian kids and I'll accept your point.

I hope the funerals for the other 150 black Americans buried this week will bring about some changes as well. Maybe someone will found a group that says their lives matter.

[Wondergirl]

I don't think so, not today. Find a situation where a prayer room has been set aside for Christian kids and I'll accept your point.

Of course, they would be! And have been. Will report specifics soon. Btw, "prayer rooms, as is any religious or secular meeting," are scheduled, by appointment, not limited to Muslim use.

[jlisenbe]

Will report specifics soon.

OK. Just remember that the challenge is to find a school that let's Christians kids out of class early to go a special room set aside for them to pray in.

[Wondergirl]

OK. Just remember that the challenge is to find a school that let's Christians kids out of class early to go a special room set aside for them to pray in.

Christian kids know they don't have to leave class to go into a special room to pray! Fixed prayer times are not part of Christianity as they are in Islam.

[talaniman]

I don't think so, not today. Find a situation where a prayer room has been set aside for Christian kids and I'll accept your point.

It only matters to you so YOU find it. Must be the teacher in you that loves to hand out homework assignments.

I hope the funerals for the other 150 black Americans buried this week will bring about some changes as well. Maybe someone will found a group that says their lives matter.

There already is such a group. It's called family and friends. Why do you continue to just single out black Americans?

[jlisenbe]

Christian kids know they don't have to leave class to go into a special room to pray! Fixed prayer times are not part of Christianity as they are in Islam.

Good thing since they are not allowed to do so.

It only matters to you so YOU find it. Must be the teacher in you that loves to hand out homework assignments.

Why would I look for what does not exist?

There already is such a group. It's called family and friends. Why do you continue to just single out black Americans?

Why do you?

[Wondergirl]

Good thing since they are not allowed to do so.

Of course they would be!

I called several area school district offices this afternoon, but all were closed -- summer break? COVID-19? Will try again in the morning.

[jlisenbe]

Do that. Ask if Christian kids can leave class early to go to a designated prayer room.

[talaniman]

Just got to find something to illuminate a difference, and make a bigger deal out of it than it warrants, so you come off like being cheated, slighted, or some kind of victim! None of those things is even close nor life changing and you have even acknowledge that already, yet you continue to send us down these rabbit holes to placate this petulance.

Do you also count the pepperoni on pizza to make sure you get your fair share? This whole thread is about a bigger picture that somehow you can never see, nor want to, as you must always express the narrow view that only you have the right answer in every discussion. Get real because so far you have not!

[Wondergirl]

Do that. Ask if Christian kids can leave class early to go to a designated prayer room.

I'm guessing the "designated prayer room" is an empty classroom (so the location of it changes), a large cloakroom or closet, or a storeroom. The Muslim students would need the "designated prayer room" probably just once during the school day, in the early afternoon, for Zuhr (or Dhuhr).

[jlisenbe]

Just got to find something to illuminate a difference, and make a bigger deal out of it than it warrants, so you come off like being cheated, slighted, or some kind of victim!

Kind of like BLM?

This whole thread is about a bigger picture that somehow you can never see, nor want to, as you must always express the narrow view that only you have the right answer in every discussion. Get real because so far you have not!

OK. What is the big picture in your view? I've already told you that the prayer room deal is not a big issue to me. The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.

[Wondergirl]

I've already told you that the prayer room deal is not a big issue to me.

I would never have guessed...

[talaniman]

Kind of like BLM?

The young peoples civil rights movement of THIS generation?

OK. What is the big picture in your view? I've already told you that the prayer room deal is not a big issue to me. The decision to have riots because a black man is murdered by a policeman and just ignore the hundreds of others killed by other black individuals does bother me a great deal. It's a big picture to me.

Only because you dismiss the police brutality that delivers no justice to it's victims and is swept under the rug while the brothers populate the prisons on small ticky tacky charges, often because they can't make bail. I can see good cops getting a raw deal being thrown in with the bad corrupt ones, but hell man, we can't even get the bad ones out.

Even now you equate peaceful protests to injustice corruption, with RIOTS? No sir! You won't dismiss the daytimers, because the freaks come out at night! That's the big picture!

Your mind is made up, I guess mine is too! Let's meet in the middle and get the bad cops and do a better job of getting the criminals.

[Athos]

just got to find something to illuminate a difference, and make a bigger deal out of it than it warrants, so you come off like being cheated, slighted, or some kind of victim! None of those things is even close nor life changing and you have even acknowledge that already, yet you continue to send us down these rabbit holes to placate this petulance.

Do you also count the pepperoni on pizza to make sure you get your fair share? This whole thread is about a bigger picture that somehow you can never see, nor want to, as you must always express the narrow view that only you have the right answer in every discussion. Get real because so far you have not!

Bingo!!