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talaniman · Mar 23, 2019, 04:37 AM

Wonder who those powerful dems are that can make republican investigate republicans? I think you both jump to conclusions based on high hopes.

paraclete · Mar 24, 2019, 02:06 PM

So it was all smoke and mirrors after all and certainly a spook disinformation campaign and perhaps Mueller should have been investigating whether american intelligence agencies colluded to influence the outcome of the election

jlisenbe · Mar 24, 2019, 02:59 PM

We know CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to help her. Why not investigate that? Oh well. No Russian collusion after all. What will the dems talk about now?

tomder55 · Mar 24, 2019, 04:18 PM

lunch is served

paraclete · Mar 25, 2019, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We know CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to help her. Why not investigate that? Oh well. No Russian collusion after all. What will the dems talk about now?

Domestic probably not illegal

talaniman · Mar 25, 2019, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

We know CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign to help her. Why not investigate that? Oh well. No Russian collusion after all. What will the dems talk about now?

Obstruction
Money laundering
Fraud
Lying
Cheating
Incompetence
Cruelty to children
Cabinet appointees scandal and incompetence

What has he done to protect the US from Cyber attacks? He is pretty good to go with the NO collusion stuff for now until the Mueller report can be released, but let's not just ignore the facts that Mueller has nailed the Russians and drained the swamp of all kinds of criminals and grifters and want to be''s.

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

Hope he learned though that opening his big mouth will always make him look very suspicious, and make trouble for him. The scrutiny is however not over by a long shot.

jlisenbe · Mar 25, 2019, 08:08 AM

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

Yep. No great role model like HC and Obama?

talaniman · Mar 26, 2019, 02:55 AM

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

Having trouble with the dripping with sarcasm font.

paraclete · Mar 26, 2019, 05:35 AM

At least we can be reassured that the dufus didn't blatantly work with a foreign power to get elected but he is still no boy scout, or role model for your kids.

I don't think "we" can be assured of anything but one circus has ended

talaniman · Mar 26, 2019, 05:43 AM

I don't think that's the case, just another episode of the dufus drama beginning.

paraclete · Mar 26, 2019, 06:56 PM

Yes he goes from one failed campaign promise to another but what does it matter when you are swimming in B/S

jlisenbe · Mar 26, 2019, 07:09 PM

Yeah. Lowest unemployment figures in decades. Nothing to see here. Just keep moving.

paraclete · Mar 26, 2019, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

. Nothing to see here. Just keep moving.

You wish and so does Donald

jlisenbe · Mar 27, 2019, 05:07 AM

I'm sure there will be more made up charges.

waltero · Mar 27, 2019, 07:39 AM

Why are people more concerned with Russian' interference in the election' than our own Government interference? Because Russia's the enemy (Lookie over there...easier to blame others...others that you expect it from), lets blame them, oh and Trump is friendly toward the Russkis, Bingo! What's it going to take to shut these people up. I can Only hope that Trump takes 2020, just to watch people go Ballistic. Rest assured, the Presidency will never be the same.

What is Politics going to do for you? Why is it that politics has become personal, its now part of your/our identity. Politics is steeped in Corruption! Why get involved with such malarkey. Now everybody's involved in politics, wonder why its a sh*t show...Go figure.

How is a corrupt institution going to assess and judge the problem of political corruption when

corruption is consequently a “normal” condition among politicians?

Pretty foolish to think that Politics will supply ultimate answers to human questions. Politics is about winners and losers. Good guys Bad guys, and only one side can win...it's a zero-sum game.

talaniman · Apr 19, 2019, 05:46 AM

Well the report came out finally and even with redactions it's not good for the dufus and his sycophants. Read it here

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/polit...pdf/index.html

Nothing like what Barr and the dufus have been saying.

tomder55 · Apr 19, 2019, 05:58 AM

it is very much like they have been saying . No collusion ;no obstruction. I have not read the whole thing yet because it reads like one of those terms of service agreements … very droll. I skipped the 1st part and started with the second part because there is no dispute about the 1st part .

tomder55 · Apr 19, 2019, 06:20 AM

Barr in his presser said that he AND Rosenstein disagreed with Mueller on whether the incidents Mueller outlines even could have amounted to obstruction as a matter of law.

Mueller was saying that the incidents involved actions that could theoretically have amounted to obstruction.

Like I said in my 'Mueller Dossier' post ;Mueller has a very broad interpretation of the statues.
The President could've shut the investigation down .He didn't . He could've invoked executive privilege . He didn't .He could've fired Mueller . He didn't Instead he opened the White House for Mueller's scrutiny and handed over thousands of documents to the investigation.

Why is it the Mueller Dossier ? Because the role of the investigator is to determine whether a crime was committed or not . If Mueller could not bring a case. Then it was not up to him to fuel the political debate . What he did is like what Comey did.

Comey laid out a case against Evita and then said no reasonable prosecutor would charge her. If there was no charge to bring then he should never had made statements about them. Mueller similarly puts 10 instances on the table where under a broad definition there may be a case for criminal obstruction . He knew Barr was not going to act on them . So the only reason to bring them up was to keep the issue hot in the political debate .

tomder55 · Apr 19, 2019, 06:27 AM

now if you want a clear case of obstruction that would be Evita taking a hammer to her backberry and bleachbit the files on her server .

jlisenbe · Apr 19, 2019, 07:47 AM

now if you want a clear case of obstruction that would be Evita taking a hammer to her backberry and bleachbit the files on her server .

You suppose AG Lynch's meeting with BC in secret for nearly an hour had anything to do with the decision to not charge HC?