[jlisenbe]

"It was your chuckle for the day."

I'll be the first to admit I need to loosen up a bit and see the humor in some things. The only thing about those articles is that I know that some people actually believe that stuff.

[talaniman]

Some of those beliefs are older than Christianity by a few thousand years, and entire cultures are built around them. The accuracy of ancient calendars based on the sun and moon cycles is fascinating and still used today. Plotting the movements of the planets is the stuff that even NASA uses. Hard to tell a person to forget their own ghosts and demons and get with yours. You should know how it goes. When others get tired of your spiel they ignore and avoid you and go about their own business.

Isn't that what free will and free choice is about? To the subject of this thread, spiritual choices often get lost when the mind and body ails and there are no healing options. Sometimes what they need is a physician not a preacher. You can walk in any church and get a sermon, but we can't walk in any hospital and get a band aid without paying an arm and leg for it.

No disrespect but until your religion can show me how to pay those doctor bills, or at least find an affordable doctor, don't call me, I'll call you.

[Wondergirl]

No disrespect but until your religion can show me how to pay those doctor bills, or at least find an affordable doctor, don't call me, I'll call you.

And that's what Christians must do -- help each other (and yes, those who AREN'T Christian) emotionally, physically, financially -- and, of course, spiritually. Like the song says, "And they'll know we are Christians by our love...."

(Where are the U.S. Christians and their churches with this caravan trudging through Mexico?)

[talaniman]

They are cringing behind their doors afraid to do as their savior says because they listen to a lying cheating dufus! So what if devils travel among them, can't they recognize them and rebuke them? I don't know if that's cowardice or hypocrisy... or maybe it's BOTH!

Boy was that harsh.

[Wondergirl]

Or maybe those devils traveling among them need a demonstration of Christ's love too.

[jlisenbe]

They are cringing behind their doors afraid to do as their savior says because they listen to a lying cheating dufus! So what if devils travel among them, can't they recognize them and rebuke them? I don't know if that's cowardice or hypocrisy... or maybe it's BOTH!

Boy was that harsh.

Good grief. You need to jump off the ole bitterness train. I can assure you that Mr. Trump does not guide my Christian faith. I let Jesus do that.

[Wondergirl]

I can assure you that Mr. Trump does not guide my Christian faith. I let Jesus do that.

You're one of a minority of conservative Christians who think this way.

[jlisenbe]

You're one of a minority of conservative Christians who think this way.

And you would know that how??? That's a pretty judgmental statement if you don't have solid evidence for it.

[Wondergirl]

And you would know that how??? That's a pretty judgmental statement if you don't have solid evidence for it.

I was born into and raised in conservative Christian communities in NC and NY. I married into a conservative Christian family and live in a conservative Christian county in Illinois. Do you want U.S. statistics?

[jlisenbe]

Do you want U.S. statistics?

If you have statistics pertaining to conservative Christians not following Christ, then yes, I would like to see that. Anecdotal stories really don't count for much.

[Athos]

And you would know that how??? That's a pretty judgmental statement if you don't have solid evidence for it.

For someone who frequently calls for evidence, your own position on evidence is highly selective. You offer the Bible as evidence when it is nothing of the sort. You confuse faith with evidence. "...the evidence of things unseen."

[jlisenbe]

You offer the Bible as evidence when it is nothing of the sort.

Not really sure what you're talking about. There is a lot of evidence as to the reliability of the Bible. The Bible would, of course, be offered as the expression of the will of God for those who accept it. Beyond that, I just don't get your point.

[talaniman]

Not really sure what you're talking about. There is a lot of evidence as to the reliability of the Bible. The Bible would, of course, be offered as the expression of the will of God for those who accept it. Beyond that, I just don't get your point.

Everybody says that about their bible.

[Athos]

The Bible would, of course, be offered as the expression of the will of God for those who accept it.

That is faith, not evidence.

[tomder55]

I'm not going to get into a philosophical debate . We all have our intractable beliefs ;even non-believers . Just adding a moments pause to hear from the basket of deplorables . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qCpCXGAKwA

[paraclete]

Bah ker sha demere, Tom, no one who sings it is deplorable, don't argue with athos, he wants to remain ignorant

[jlisenbe]

About all I can tell someone is to investigate the reliability of the Bible and judge for yourself. A man performs miracles and then is raised from the dead is pretty good evidence. I don't know of any more important aspect of life than a person's relationship with God, so choose well.

[Athos]

don't argue with athos, he wants to remain ignorant

This from someone who claims Barack Obama is a "self-admitted gay Muslim"! Speaking of ignorance.........

[talaniman]

That is faith, not evidence.

[QUOTE=tomder55;3824634]I'm not going to get into a philosophical debate . We all have our intractable beliefs ;even non-believers . /QUOTE]

I don't know of any more important aspect of life than a person's relationship with God, so choose well.

We can agree on that.

[jlisenbe]

We can agree on that.

Stop the presses! We agree on something. So you see, we are still living in the age of miracles. (<: