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    #221

    Jul 5, 2012, 04:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Don't you enter into a contract with them?

    If you don't know then how can you complain that the government's version is big?
    There are more choices in the marketplace. HMO is just one of them. Its possible to go a lifetime and not belong to a HMO. It's a little different here then where you are.
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    Jul 5, 2012, 04:22 PM
    Yessirree, another good liberal solution that instead of making things better for all just lowers the quality for everyone (unless you're a Democrat congressman who voted for this mess I'm sure ). I can't wait until I quit being a human patient and become "volume."
    More doctors, nurses, and hospitals. Don't let the rhetoric scare you. They talk volume in the emergency room too! Doesn't have to be a bad thing.
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    #223

    Jul 6, 2012, 06:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Don't you enter into a contract with them?

    If you don't know then how can you complain that the government's version is big?
    The last handbook I saw was probably 150 pages. And I can understand it just fine.
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    #224

    Jul 6, 2012, 06:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    More doctors, nurses, and hospitals. Don't let the rhetoric scare ya. They talk volume in the emergency room too! Doesn't have to be a bad thing.
    I guess you missed this. If that happens - even half of it - we're up sh*t creek without a paddle.
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    #225

    Jul 6, 2012, 06:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The last handbook I saw was probably 150 pages. And I can understand it just fine.
    Hello again, Steve:

    If the Democrats were good at communicating, they could reduce the ACA down to 150 pages too. Somebody will come along to do it.

    excon
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    Jul 6, 2012, 10:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I guess you missed this. If that happens - even half of it - we're up sh*t creek without a paddle.
    I haven't forgotten how afraid of the unknown some people are. So do we stepup and make thing better for more,or sit in a corner drowning in our own shat?

    http://newamericamedia.org/2012/07/m...s-on-facts.php

    So when patients and friends ask me. "Is the Supreme Court decision good or bad?" I reply "It depends on your insurance and your political affiliation." And then I come back to what Cyril Chang said. Our health system has too many moving parts, "implementing and improving" the present law may be as good or bad as "repealing and replacing" it.

    Yet, all the details about the ACA only matter once we sidestep the political rhetoric, which neither political party is willing to do in an election year.
    The rulings have been made, lets get the cart down the road, and see what happens. Enough crying, and gloom and doom! Action, and accomplishment is the best antidote to fear, so you conservatives need to get with the program, and help YOUR country.

    The debate is over!! Time to stop crying about what if. Lets get busy and do what we have to.
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    #227

    Jul 6, 2012, 11:11 AM
    Lets get busy and do what we have to.
    Yup time to get busy... repealing Obamacare and repealing Obama.
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    #228

    Jul 6, 2012, 11:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    If the Democrats were good at communicating, they could reduce the ACA down to 150 pages too. Somebody will come along to do it.

    excon
    Not going to happen. But could I interest you in some prime beach front property near Claude, Tx?
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    #229

    Jul 6, 2012, 01:50 PM
    You righties let me know how you like what Mitt trickles down his leg, and calls it properity.

    Or you guys must REALLY love rich guy pee! That explains a lot! Hmmm. Sorry guys, I didn't know. Give me your adresses, and I will send you an umbrella. I still have a few from the Reagan/Bush eras.

    Trust me you will need them!
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    #230

    Jul 6, 2012, 02:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Yup time to get busy ....repealing Obamacare and repealing Obama.
    It seems to me that is ALL the GOP has to offer.
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    #231

    Jul 6, 2012, 02:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    It seems to me that is ALL the GOP has to offer.
    It seems to me your specialty is clichés.
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    #232

    Jul 6, 2012, 04:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    It seems to me that is ALL the GOP has to offer.
    That probably would be enough .
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    #233

    Jul 6, 2012, 05:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It seems to me your specialty is cliches.
    Oh the irony LOL!
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    #234

    Jul 6, 2012, 08:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    If the Democrats were good at communicating, they could reduce the ACA down to 150 pages too. Somebody will come along to do it.

    excon
    150 pages ? 20 ought to do the trick. That would be 2 more that it took the founders to establish the whole Federal Government . In fact... we should change the Constitution to insist that every piece of legislation can be read... in plain English ,in an hour or less.

    If we did that ,then we wouldn't have a law like Obamacare ,that has plain language regarding taxes when it comes to tanning salons and other medical devices ;but still allows a language twisting judge to find a tax where the law calls for a penalty . In fact ;there are to date 21 new or higher taxes discovered in the bowels of the bill . Seven of those taxes apply to individuals making $250,000 or less.(another broken Obamapromise.) The additional tax code required means that the government needs to hire 16,500 new IRS personnel to collect,and audit our returns .(jobs created ? ) .

    If we had that limit on the size of bills, then we wouldn't have a 2,572 that no one has read yet ;that has already 13,000 pages of code written ,with many thousand more to come. It has already consumed a $ billion taxpayers dollars in implementation ;with many more to be spent.

    If we had that limitation then legislators wouldn't have the ability to add hundreds of pork rides onto bills and exceptions written into bills to buy off legislators.

    Bottom line ,the bigger the bill ,the greater the chance of mischief... and Obamacare is loaded with mischief. There will be court challenges to the individual components for years to come (job security for the lawyer clowns that helped write the bill).
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    #235

    Jul 7, 2012, 06:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Oh the irony LOL!
    You really have nothing useful to add to the duscussion do you?
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    #236

    Jul 7, 2012, 06:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You really have nothing useful to add to the duscussion do you?
    Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?
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    #237

    Jul 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
    The mischief Tom is sitting on your hands and doing nothing when you know people are dying.

    You think leglislation is a mischief but the greater mischief is doing nothing. However not to worry, your congress has a long history of doing nothing when mischief is a foot. They obviously believe that if you do nothing long enough the problem will go away. I expect this is preferable to preemptive strikes based on the mischief of misleading information
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    #238

    Jul 9, 2012, 06:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?
    Plagiarizer.

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