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    Oct 19, 2011, 11:17 AM
    heating buildings with steam, a lot more efficiently than they were.
    I had an old steam boiler in my basement when I moved in . I converted from oil to natural gas and the new boiler is about a quarter the size of the previous one. That was my investment and my choice. I did it because it made sense to do so.
    I don't know which buildings you are talking about in NYC . I am not familiar with any subsidies or mandates ;or if you are talking about privately or publicly owned buildings.
    If I was a landlord however ,I would have to weigh any building improvement against diminishing returns on rent with rent controls imposed . However ;in buildings without ,I'm sure it is an economical benefit to upgrade.
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    Oct 19, 2011, 11:19 AM
    Not if the smarty pants CEO's keep buying stuff that don't work for a million bucks (safety valves) each, and the spill a million gallons, we won't. The loss of 11 lives is 11 to many for no reason, and if we can't learn and do better, we shouldn't be doing it.

    Look I would be singing "drill, baby, drill" too, if it was SAFE.
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    Oct 19, 2011, 11:23 AM
    Seems to me that is throwing the baby away with the bathwater .

    Are you saying that because a company violated known safety procedures that work ,that the whole industry should cease to exist ?

    When there was a Tylenol scare ;procedures were tightened to ensure that the product seal couldn't be tampered with... they didn't ban the use of APAP.
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    Oct 19, 2011, 12:23 PM
    But the oil companies didn't listen. The didn't change a thing. Just put the 20 billion into a fund, fired the CEO (well moved him), and moved to the next well. Same technology, same procedure, same flaws. But to be fair, while we are trying to make changes to the companies we do business with, other countries on the other side of the gulf are not. That's an even bigger problem.

    But that's about to change, at least on our side of the water, as private companies are working hard to revamp oil drilling technology, especially the emergency clean up phase. I think its more a matter of slowing down, and letting those technologies catch up.
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    Oct 19, 2011, 01:14 PM
    Good news, Harry Reid said the private sector is rolling along just fine, the real crisis is in government jobs. No, really, he said that.

    The facts courtesy of Ed Morrisey and the bureau of labor statistics. Public sector jobs over the last 5 years:


    There are 4 million fewer private sector jobs than 5 years ago, while public sector jobs have shown a net gain of 568,000 jobs in the same period.


    As long as the Dems can demonize Republicans for opposing Obama's jobs bill how cares about facts? This fits right in with Biden's theme of late, warning the public of rapes and murders if the jobs bill isn't passed. That's right ladies and gentlemen, Republicans not only don't want you to have a job, they must be for rape and murder because they haven't passed the bill.
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    Oct 19, 2011, 03:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Good news, Harry Reid said the private sector is rolling along just fine, the real crisis is in government jobs. No, really, he said that.

    The facts courtesy of Ed Morrisey and the bureau of labor statistics. Public sector jobs over the last 5 years:


    There are 4 million fewer private sector jobs than 5 years ago, while public sector jobs have shown a net gain of 568,000 jobs in the same period.


    As long as the Dems can demonize Republicans for opposing Obama's jobs bill how cares about facts? This fits right in with Biden's theme of late, warning the public of rapes and murders if the jobs bill isn't passed. That's right ladies and gentlemen, Republicans not only don't want you to have a job, they must be for rape and murder because they haven't passed the bill.

    And we STILL need more evidence before they will put him in mental health ward for his own protection?
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    Oct 19, 2011, 05:05 PM
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    And we STILL need more evidence before they will put him in mental health ward for his own protection?
    Looks like you have what we call a two speed economy over there.

    Strange statistics though when it is thought that the democrats mean big government
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    Oct 19, 2011, 07:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Looks like you have what we call a two speed economy over there.

    Strange statistics though when it is though that the democrats mean big government
    Yes... like a Unimog... several reverse gears.

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