[jlisenbe]

Thank you Jl my point exactly

Happy to be of service. About 40% of the deaths in the U.S. have come from people over the age of 78, which just so happens to be the average length of life here. 80% of the deaths are in people 65 or over, so age clearly is a contributing factor. Hope all of us old folks here stay healthy.

Wifey and I are deciding on the vaccine. I guess we are going to take it.

[Athos]

Here is the detailed analysis from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - a US government agency.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

Note that the previous death rate table posted prior to the one above was from the UN and contains the following disclaimer prominently stated at the beginning of that report: NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

Another example of right-wing distortion and lies - or an honest mistake?

[paraclete]

no athos just "facts", facts are updated from time to time. The whole point is; while covid has proven deadly, the incidence of other causes of death have fallen so it all balances out in the end, and the mass hysteria may or may not have been necessary. We have erred on the side of caution but it is time to get back to normal. People die all the time and our best efforts only delay the inevitable. I'm a case in point, three weeks out from a quad bypass, so I'll last a little longer

[Athos]

no athos just "facts", facts are updated from time to time.

Yes, and after the facts are UPDATED, the prior facts are no longer accurate! Good Lord, how simple can a concept be? Are you off your meds again?

[jlisenbe]

I took the CDC link. It seemed to be for the U.S. only. Is that correct?

As for the link I provided, it's true that 2020 is a U.N. projection. I haven't been able to locate any genuinely current data for the world, so that's the best available as far as I know. It does support Clete's contention.

[paraclete]

Yes, and after the facts are UPDATED, the prior facts are no longer accurate! Good Lord, how simple can a concept be? Are you off your meds again?

I was never on "meds" yes it is a simple concept you don't seem to understand. Any "facts" that don't fit your narrative are propaganda

[Athos]

I was never on "meds" yes it is a simple concept you don't seem to understand. Any "facts" that don't fit your narrative are propaganda

You contended that the Covid death rate hasn't increased at all. Do want it read back to you? "Facts" are what describes reality.

[talaniman]

Being states and locals compile the data any world or general data is irrelevant. States and locals hopefully tailor their mitigation response efforts base on what's occurring within their own jurisdictions not places across the world, except to observe and adopt best practices, and community response and compliance. I would imagine that the more space between humans the slower the spread, and conversely the more dense a population the easier or greater the covid spread will be.

It's small wonder the data looks better after the holiday and get better but the data has always reflected that a greater community response for mitigation is a good policy. If half comply and half don't then we can't expect a more perfect outcome. Pretty predictable stuff actually. We are divided as to the health priority, or the economic one as we are now on who gets vaccinated and who waits for more. Demand is higher than supply, and understandable we are all anxious for normal again, which realistically ain't going to happen for a few more months given current circumstance.

[jlisenbe]

The fact is, the best data we have shows that the world wide death rate scarcely increased at all, so unless there is some more reliable data to contradict that, Clete's contention would seem to be correct.

[Athos]

The fact is, the best data we have shows that the world wide death rate scarcely increased at all, so unless there is some more reliable data to contradict that, Clete's contention would seem to be correct.

The "best" data is incomplete.

The UN info contains the following disclaimer prominently displayed at the beginning of that report: NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

The CDC report has the FACTS for the US showing a substantial increase.

[jlisenbe]

So how is that different from what has already been said? Your data is for America only. The data I posted is the best available for the world unless you have a better source. It plainly supports what Clete said. But if you have better data, then I’d love to see it.

[talaniman]

Yahoo news and MSN have current data. Broken down by state county and country and updated constantly. We lead the world or close to it so what's the real point folks?

[Athos]

The data I posted is the best available for the world

IT'S-NOT-COMPLETE.

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

Good grief.

[paraclete]

some people do get angry when confronted with facts

[Athos]

some people do get angry when confronted with facts

Only when facts are ignored.

[jlisenbe]

some people do get angry when confronted with facts

So very true. The real problem with the world-wide data is that it didn't fit his narrative. It still remains the best data available. If it changes in the future, then I will change my views. That's good advice for some others on this board.

[paraclete]

enough with the advice already just stick to the facts, new fact out of China, covid didn't originate in a lab but from some unidentified animal, seems like the WHO is drinking the koolaid

[tomder55]

new fact out of China, covid didn't originate in a lab but from some unidentified animal, seems like the WHO is drinking the koolaid

and you wonder why Trump took the US out of WHO .

[talaniman]

and you wonder why Trump took the US out of WHO .

And stripped it of a crucial guiding force for the sake of running his own facts and agenda.

[paraclete]

and you wonder why Trump took the US out of WHO .

No Trump left anything he didn't like