[jlisenbe]

"unacceptable people" (according to you)

When have I referred to "unacceptable people"?

We were talking about welfare. You bring up roads, bridges, schools, etc. Hmm.

[Wondergirl]

When have I referred to "unacceptable people"?

We were talking about welfare. You bring up roads, bridges, schools, etc. Hmm.

All are supported by tax dollars. Or don't you pay taxes? And people you disapprove of ("unacceptable people") use all those tax-supported entities -- including welfare.

[talaniman]

There are many schools where prayer groups are not allowed unless, of course, they are for Muslims.

I couldn't find a public school where Muslims can practice their faith and Christians could not. Google has failed me please help.

It was your idea. I was just responding to it. Remember???

And rather poorly so I felt the need to correct with the facts.

Wishful thinking.

Hopeful thinking. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/d...t-off-welfare/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare

US History

Until early in the year of 1965, the news media was conveying only whites as living in poverty however that perception had changed to blacks.^[44] Some of the influences in this shift could have been the civil rights movement and urban riots from the mid 60s. Welfare had then shifted from being a White issue to a Black issue and during this time frame the war on poverty had already begun.^[44] Subsequently, news media portrayed stereotypes of Blacks as lazy, undeserving and welfare queens. These shifts in media don't necessarily establish the population living in poverty decreasing.^[44]

[Wondergirl]

There are many schools where prayer groups are not allowed unless, of course, they are for Muslims.

Please name one. I'll call the principal and verify.

[paraclete]

Respectfully disagree, 'clete. Jesus tells a fitting parable on this subject - the widow's mite. She gave from her substance, not her surplus.

A poor widow also came and put in two small coins worth a few cents. Calling his disciples to himself, he said to them, 'Amen, I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the other contributors to the treasury. For they have all contributed from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has contributed all she had, her whole livelihood.

She may not have given much it does nothing to illustrate the point I was making, she gave to God and out of his abundance (surplus) she would have received. Jesus said the poor are always with us, and undoubtedly his expectation is that God would meet their needs when they rely on him. Reliance on government is not reliance on God, but the socialist agenda is to have everyone rely on government and thus it is a Godless agenda. God doesn't ask Ceasar to tax the populace so as to meet their needs, no he says give to God because in the Jewish system the tythe was to meet charitable needs

[jlisenbe]

And people you disapprove of ("unacceptable people") use all those tax-supported entities -- including welfare.

I've never referred to "unacceptable people". Your use of quotation marks is AGAIN dishonest. The whole reference is dishonest. Haven't you learned yet?

Here are schools that have installed prayer rooms for Muslim students. Now you can list the schools that have installed prayer rooms for Christian students. Good luck.

https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures.../25/id/634403/

https://www.rt.com/usa/muslim-prayer-us-schools-060/

https://rense.com/general17/NYCoksprayer.htm

[Wondergirl]

I've never referred to that. Your use of quotation marks is AGAIN dishonest. Haven't you learned yet?

You've forgotten the use of quote marks for paraphrasing. Alzheimer's setting in?

Here are schools that have installed prayer rooms for Muslim students. Now you can list the schools that have installed prayer rooms for Christian students. Good luck.

That wasn't the assignment.

[jlisenbe]

Yep. The infamous "Chicago Paraphrase".

You ever remember why you "disagree" with abortion?

[talaniman]

I've never referred to "unacceptable people". Your use of quotation marks is AGAIN dishonest. The whole reference is dishonest. Haven't you learned yet?

Here are schools that have installed prayer rooms for Muslim students. Now you can list the schools that have installed prayer rooms for Christian students. Good luck.

https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures.../25/id/634403/

https://www.rt.com/usa/muslim-prayer-us-schools-060/

https://rense.com/general17/NYCoksprayer.htm

I saw nowhere that rooms were installed for Muslims in your hand full of examples, nor prohibited Christians of the same opportunities as the Muslims had in those schools. Establishing space for Muslims and early dismissals is pretty reasonable accommodations.

From your link

So to satisfy all sides, the school rescheduled its lunch period in order to meet the requirements for Muslim prayer and to allow students of any faith to prayer if they choose, according to The Christian Science Monitor.

My question was "I couldn't find a public school where Muslims can practice their faith and Christians could not.". It appears while Muslims were accommodated, Christians were not prohibited, so correct me if I'm wrong, but public schools seem to allow school prayers of both religions, which seems fair to me, and contradicts the conservative lament of not allowing prayers in school.

Now posting religious stuff may be a different matter, and there are many against such things in school no matter the religion.

[jlisenbe]

One more pic. This woman visited a stranger in a nursing home, a 112 year old woman who had not had a visitor in three years. It is kindness at work. I feel safe in saying it is what Jesus would have done.

[Athos]

She may not have given much it does nothing to illustrate the point I was making, she gave to God and out of his abundance (surplus) she would have received. Jesus said the poor are always with us, and undoubtedly his expectation is that God would meet their needs when they rely on him

I have no argument with your interpretation.

Reliance on government is not reliance on God

If anyone here made that claim, I missed it. I agree God and government are not the same.

the socialist agenda is to have everyone rely on government and thus it is a Godless agenda.

I don't know what you mean by "socialist agenda". Are you referring to the US where we have a capitalist/socialist system? I don't see it as Godless. Could you explain why you think so?

God doesn't ask Ceasar to tax the populace so as to meet their needs

The only reference to Caesar was Jesus remark to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's". That seems to be an approval of giving to Caesar. If you interpret it differently, I'll be glad to read what you think.

he says give to God because in the Jewish system the tythe was to meet charitable needs

Just my opinion, but I see this as a clear mandate to help the less fortunate. Again, be happy to read your take if you see it otherwise.

[talaniman]

This is how the dufus deals with police brutality.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

[paraclete]

Tal, Trump doesn't deal with police brutality, he appears to be in favour of it

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...d58b77a4b04c35

[talaniman]

He does seem to favor brutalizing everybody press, protesters, citizens. We seem to have the same link, which makes his conspiracy theory outrageous.

[Athos]

Hard to believe, but Trump is tweeting that the 75-year-old man in the picture above is a member of antifa and that the incident was a "set-up"!

“75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”

The victim has just been released from an ICU unit after several days. Trump has been known to promote baseless conspiracy theories. The most famous being the "birther conspiracy".

[Wondergirl]

From [JL's] link: My question was "I couldn't find a public school where Muslims can practice their faith and Christians could not.". It appears while Muslims were accommodated, Christians were not prohibited, so correct me if I'm wrong, but public schools seem to allow school prayers of both religions, which seems fair to me, and contradicts the conservative lament of not allowing prayers in school.

Now posting religious stuff may be a different matter, and there are many against such things in school no matter the religion.

Exactly correct, tal! A public grade or high school will arrange to give a space for private prayer(s) for a religious group or even one or two individuals. Public libraries have done this too. In fact, one of the public libraries I worked at had hired a young Muslim woman who had been born in Afghanistan. She needed a private space for prayers at Zuhr (just after noontime) and at 'Asr (late afternoon), so the director set up specific times with her to use our staff lounge for prayers. The rest of the staff happily agreed to this and printed up a sign to post on the door to remind us that the room was in use and we weren't to enter.

That led the staff into animated lunchtime discussions about Muslim and Christian beliefs (and later, Hindu beliefs after Shachi was hired). But no one was allowed to proselytize.

[jlisenbe]

I showed where this has been done for Muslims, even allowing them to exit classes and go to a purpose built prayer room. Now if you can show me any place where anything like that is being done for Christians, then you have a point. Otherwise, you don't.

Can't proselytize? Why not? That, thankfully, is not prohibited when done by students to students, or staff to staff. Can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.

[Wondergirl]

I've never referred to "unacceptable people". Your use of quotation marks is AGAIN dishonest. The whole reference is dishonest. Haven't you learned yet?

Then, instead of calling those quote marks paraphrasing, let's call them tongue-in-cheek.

[talaniman]

I showed where this has been done for Muslims, even allowing them to exit classes and go to a purpose built prayer room. Now if you can show me any place where anything like that is being done for Christians, then you have a point. Otherwise, you don't.

Can't proselytize? Why not? That, thankfully, is not prohibited when done by students to students, or staff to staff. Can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.

A bit inaccurate with "purpose built", and I doubt they spent money for it, just gave them a space like has been done for Christians for decades going back to my school days. Why you think it unfair is beyond me except maybe you feel they should be given nothing as non Christians and you think YOUR religion hasn't gotten enough.

From my view your homework is a bust and it's you that has NOTHING!

[Wondergirl]

I showed where this has been done for Muslims, even allowing them to exit classes and go to a purpose built prayer room. Now if you can show me any place where anything like that is being done for Christians, then you have a point. Otherwise, you don't.

From https://www.adl.org/education/resour...schools/prayer
May students pray [in public schools]?

Students have the right to engage in voluntary individual prayer that is not coercive and does not substantially disrupt the school's educational mission and activities. For example, all students have the right to say a blessing before eating a meal. However, school officials must not promote or encourage a student's personal prayer. Students may engage with other students in religious activity during non-curricular periods as long as the activity is not coercive or disruptive. In addition, while students may speak about religious topics with their peers, school officials should intercede if such discussions become religious harassment. It is essential that private religious activity not materially disrupt the school's educational mission and activities. Personal religious activity may not interfere with the rights or well-being of other students, and the threat of student harassment and pressure must be carefully monitored. It is also critical to ensure that the religious activity is actually student-initiated, and that no school employee supervises or participates in the activity. Any school promotion or endorsement of a student's private religious activity is unconstitutional.

Can't proselytize? Why not? That, thankfully, is not prohibited when done by students to students, or staff to staff. Can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.

See above about proselytizing.