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    #201

    Apr 26, 2019, 07:22 PM
    Where's the love, where's the love?
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    #202

    Apr 26, 2019, 08:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If I could not explain my position, I would expect to hear those things and more.

    You sure are slow to answer the question.

    See everyone tomorrow.
    Do the math, how many times does one have to explain things to you before you get it? All you do is dismiss whatever is told you, so what's the point? Maybe it's you that should give the another's beliefs deeper thought. Who made you the arbiter of truth and morality anyway?
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    #203

    Apr 27, 2019, 04:54 AM
    Ask yourself a question is ancient Joe seriously thinking he could carry the load of President. I'm as old as he is, intelligent, but seriously, health has to be a serious issue
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    #204

    Apr 27, 2019, 05:26 AM
    how many times does one have to explain things to you before you get it?
    One genuine explanation would do it. You are presently at zero.

    Ask yourself a question is ancient Joe seriously thinking he could carry the load of President. I'm as old as he is, intelligent, but seriously, health has to be a serious issue
    Good point to consider.
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    #205

    Apr 27, 2019, 06:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    One genuine explanation would do it. You are presently at zero.
    Is it your inability to comprehend, or the unwillingness to comprehend?

    Are you just stuck in the crap of your own self appointed moral superiority, or to closed minded to take in different ideas?

    Maybe we should just drop this subject as it has devolved into a futile exercise in useless proselytization.

    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ask yourself a question is ancient Joe seriously thinking he could carry the load of President. I'm as old as he is, intelligent, but seriously, health has to be a serious issue
    Not with Joe, he has always been a model of good health at any age. Now the dufus, his only exercise is running his mouth about absolute nonsense and bull crap.
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    #206

    Apr 27, 2019, 07:06 AM
    Is it your inability to comprehend, or the unwillingness to comprehend?

    Are you just stuck in the crap of your own self appointed moral superiority, or to closed minded to take in different ideas?

    Maybe we should just drop this subject as it has devolved into a futile exercise in useless proselytization.
    None of the above. You have not provided, in your name calling and finger pointing, an explanation. You need to explain, as no one has done, why you think it should be legal to kill an unborn child but not legal to kill a child after birth. Perhaps your anger is a reflection of your frustration with realizing it is a valid question for which you do not have an answer. Perhaps this will become your awakening.
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    #207

    Apr 27, 2019, 07:12 AM
    It may be a valid question in your own closed mind but stupid as hell in mine.
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    #208

    Apr 27, 2019, 11:22 AM
    I will ask again, where's the love?
    Why are you so eager for us to believe that abortionist are helping women, how they have helped so many over the years. Must we remind you that someone necessarily must die in the process. "But it's legal." Sadly, legal is not always synonymous with right. In January of 1973, the Supreme Court legalized abortion throughout all 40 weeks of pregnancy. More than 60 million people have been aborted since then. But we have believed lies: that children are a burden—not a blessing, that when in crisis, eliminating a pregnancy will fix things.

    Be a force for good. Speak for those who have no voice, show "love" to despairing women, share your resources, your home. With our words and our actions, we can refute the lie that this abortionist and our culture speaks because, ALL babies are wanted. Deadly indifference to protecting life isn't tangential to the abortion industry's barbaric practices-but at its very core.
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    #209

    Apr 27, 2019, 12:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    I will ask again, where's the love?

    Love for those who get abortions -- the thirteen-year-old girl whose uncle got her pregnant while sexually molesting her. Love for the young woman who was gang-raped while walking back to her college dorm after an evening class. Love for the woman on a date with a so-far wonderful man who decided he wouldn't accept her "no."
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    #210

    Apr 27, 2019, 01:19 PM
    Love form the Abortionists- acting as if abortions are an act of love.

    The inherent and inhumane attitude that is seemingly pervasive in the abortion industry, dehumanizing not only the preborn babies they kill, but the women who come to them for help as well. And on top of this, there is a glorification of abortion, not as a “necessary evil” but as something to be celebrated and cheered. Abortion is a violent act. In the first trimester, when new research indicates preborn babies can feel pain. Seeing these attitudes on display from abortionists, it’s not difficult to see why they receive so little respect from the medical community, and are seen as "the lowest of the low."






    This is not love...trading the truth for a lie.




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    #211

    Apr 27, 2019, 01:23 PM
    So if we said, "OK. We'll consent to abortions in those types of cases," would you be prepared to outlaw abortions in other cases?

    I guess this is question #2.
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    #212

    Apr 27, 2019, 01:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    So if we said, "OK. We'll consent to abortions in those types of cases," would you be prepared to outlaw abortions in other cases?

    I guess this is question #2.
    Are you tawkin' to me, Willis?
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    Apr 27, 2019, 02:13 PM
    Evidently not.
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    #214

    Apr 27, 2019, 02:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Evidently not.
    waltero was in the thread, too. Wasn't sure if you were asking him. Please address me by name if you ask me specifically. Thank you.
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    Apr 27, 2019, 03:03 PM
    Remember my observation? "Extraordinary evasiveness" was the actual quote. And thus we see it exhibited.
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    #216

    Apr 27, 2019, 03:09 PM
    waltero was in the thread, too. Wasn't sure if you were asking him.

    What was question #1?

    Remember my observation? "Extraordinary evasiveness" was the actual quote. And thus we see it exhibited.
    True Dat!
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    #217

    Apr 27, 2019, 03:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Remember my observation? "Extraordinary evasiveness" was the actual quote. And thus we see it exhibited.
    Consider it's not the question we evade, but the behavior of the asker. Condescending and dismissive are not engaging qualities.
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    #218

    Apr 27, 2019, 03:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    What was question #1?
    JL's questions so far:

    1. Is there a MORAL difference between killing an unborn child and killing a child already born? If so, what is the difference?

    2. OK. We'll (i.e., JL will) consent to abortions in these types of cases: the thirteen-year-old girl whose uncle got her pregnant while sexually molesting her, the young woman who was gang-raped while walking back to her college dorm after an evening class, the woman on a date with a so-far wonderful man who decided he wouldn't accept her "no." Would you be prepared to outlaw abortions in other cases?
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    #219

    Apr 27, 2019, 07:20 PM
    the thirteen-year-old girl whose uncle got her pregnant while sexually molesting her, the young woman who was gang-raped while walking back to her college dorm after an evening class, the woman on a date with a so-far wonderful man who decided he wouldn't accept her "no."
    An Unwanted pregnancy (child) is a unwanted pregnancy? People might find having a child traumatizing, might hold true for abortions too. I'm sure they will need a lifetime of therapy regardless.
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    Apr 28, 2019, 03:26 AM
    with all the talk about diversity ;the top 3 Dem candidates are white dudes . lol

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