[NeedKarma]

I'd just as soon you stayed home.

Thanks for your standard nastiness but I was referring to people choosing vacation destinations. There will be repercussions to this gun culture. Pair that with the horrible Steubenville, Ohio rape case and people are wondering what the hell is going on over there.

[speechlesstx]

Thanks for your standard nastiness but I was referring to people choosing vacation destinations. There will be repercussions to this gun culture. Pair that with the horrible Steubenville, Ohio rape case and people are wondering what the hell is going on over there.

You're welcome. As long as you speak nonsense about my country as you typically do you should get used to getting a snarky reply. We'll have plenty of tourists without you and they'll enjoy their visit.

[paraclete]

Well another high school shooting and nothing has been done to stop the violence, except of course, talk, and more talk. I wonder where is that right to be shot in the Constitution?

[speechlesstx]

well another high school shooting and nothing has been done to stop the violence, except of course, talk, and more talk. I wonder where is that right to be shot in the Constitution?

The ninth amendment.

[dontknownuthin]

This week here in China a man took a large knife ( sorta looked like a short sword) and stabbed 20 children here.

They don't need guns to kill and cause violence. A crazy person will use the weapon they can get.

Pour gas and set them on fire and so on.

Yes that happened the same day the children were shot here. The difference is, there were survivors in China.

[paraclete]

The ninth amendment.

So you are saying the people retain the right to be shot, I cannot see that they had that right in the first place

[tomder55]

so you are saying the people retain the right to be shot, I cannot see that they had that right in the first place

There is no legal right to shoot anyone except in cases of self defense. So being shot is a violation of your rights by someone committing an illegal act. Your question makes no sense.

[paraclete]

There is no legal right to shoot anyone except in cases of self defense. So being shot is a violation of your rights by someone committing an illegal act. Your question makes no sense.

But it does; the answer to my original question was getting shot is a residual right under the ninth amendment, now that answer was illogical, just a illogical as saying that the right to own guns implies a right to use them in "self" defense. That right was not given to you, the right given to you was to defend your nation

[tomder55]

Rights aren't given by government . The 2nd amendment is clearly a right to defend against any oppression and tyranny... foreign and domestic... be it predators, or the government of the nation. Self defense is just a modern phraseology for what was taken for granted as common sense . The founders would not have felt the need to make a special amendment for hunting or target practice. Those were rights one could say are 9th amendment rights.They were so self evident that they didn't need to add it to the bill of rights.

[Tuttyd]

Rights aren't given by government . The 2nd amendment is clearly a right to defend against any oppression and tyranny ...foreign and domestic ...be it predators, or the government of the nation. Self defense is just a modern phraseology for what was taken for granted as common sense . The founders would not have felt the need to make a special amendment for hunting or target practice. Those were rights one could say are 9th amendment rights.They were so self evident that they didn't need to add it to the bill of rights.

Well, they seem to be given by government most of the time. SCOTUS' modus operandi seem to be just that.

Tut

[excon]

Hello:

The 2nd amendment is clearly a right to defend against any oppression and tyranny

I've known the right wing is bonkers for a long time... Now I see they think they can defeat the US Army with their puny assault rifles...

And, they think I'm smoking stuff..

Excon

[tomder55]

Yeah well we know what happens when people are disarmed. What ? You forgot Wounded Knee ?

In the morning a bugle call awakened the camp and the men were told to come to the center of the camp for a talk. After the talk they would move to Pine Ridge. Big Foot was brought out and seated before his tent. The older men of the band gathered around him. Hardtack was issued for breakfast. Then the Indians were informed that they would be disarmed. They stacked their guns in the center, but the soldiers were not satisfied. The soldiers went through the tents, bringing out bundles and tearing them open, throwing knives, axes, and tent stakes into the pile. Then they ordered searches of the individual warriors. The Indians became very angry but only one spoke out, the medicine man, Yellow Bird. He danced a few steps of the Ghost Dance and chanted in Sioux, telling the Indians that the bullets would not hurt them, they would go right by.

The search found only two rifles, one brand new, belonging to a young man named Black Coyote. He raised it over his head and cried out that he had spent much money for the rifle and that it belonged to him. Black Coyote was deaf and therefore did not respond promptly to the demands of the soldiers. He would have been convinced to put it down by the Sioux, but that option was not possible. He was grabbed by the soldiers and spun around. Then a shot was heard; its source is not clear but it began the killing. The only arms the Indians had were what they could grab from the pile. When the Hotchkiss guns opened up, shrapnel shredded the lodges, killing men, women and children, indiscriminately. They tried to run but were shot down "like buffalo," women and children alike.

When the mass insanity of the soldiers ended, 153 dead were counted, including Big Foot; but many of the wounded had crawled off to die alone. One estimate place the final death toll at 350 Indian men, women and children. Twenty-five soldiers died and 39 were wounded, most by their own shrapnel and bullets

http://www.hanksville.org/daniel/lak...nded_Knee.html

[NeedKarma]

Another school shooting: California sheriff: Youth who shot classmate felt he'd been bullied - CNN.com

[paraclete]

yeah well we know what happens when people are disarmed. What ? You forgot Wounded Knee ?

Why were they disarmed Tom? Because they used the gun for its intended purpose? You weren't prepared to allow the native peoples the right to defend themselves against your aggression. But you can be trusted with a gun? Double standard!

[Tuttyd]

yeah well we know what happens when people are disarmed. What ? You forgot Wounded Knee ?


The Massacre at Wounded Knee

Tom, this is the 21 st century.There is no government or army to fight. All you will do is end up fighting a significant number of the population.

No matter how tyrannical a government becomes in this day and age there will always be a significant proportion of the population that will support the government. It is usually referred to as a civil war.

[tomder55]

Fine... if they want to change the constitution ,then I'm for that debate. But Emperor Zero's flunky Biden is talking about executive orders .

[Tuttyd]

fine ... if they want to change the constitution ,then I'm for that debate. But Emperor Zero's flunky Biden is talking about executive orders .

What do you mean by changing the Constitution?

[tomder55]

I mean that there is a procedure written into the Constitution for amending it. If the 2nd amendment is obsolete then the Constitution should be changed .(Article 5 )

But you know and I know that won't happen because the people do not want to be disarmed .

[excon]

Hello again, TUT:

It is usually referred to as a civil war.

And, it's one the right wing bonkers apparently thinks it can win.? When confronted with the military REALITY that an assault rifle is no match for an Apache helicopter with 50 cal machine guns, they want to talk about Indians...

The GOOD news is the country is seeing, maybe for the first time, how BONKERS their opposition really is..

Excon

[Tuttyd]

I mean that there is a procedure written into the Constitution for amending it. If the 2nd amendment is obsolete then the Constitution should be changed .(Article 5 )

But you know and I know that won't happen because the people do not want to be disarmed .

Of course they don't. The struggle with arms is a dominant part of your ethos.