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speechlesstx · Dec 10, 2008, 10:19 AM

I love it when libs take a sensible and reasonable stand on hot-button issues.

inthebox · Dec 10, 2008, 11:42 AM

Yes, a stand that, I think synnen proposed, which I think most can agree with. Marriage is a religious institution and the government has no business dictating religious doctrine.

g&p

sGt HarDKorE · Dec 10, 2008, 03:10 PM

Watch this :) Its done by Jack Black and some other acters. Its on propsition 8, but it's their opinion on it and the bible.

And jack black plays jesus lol

"Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more... from FOD Team, Jack Black, Craig Robinson, John C Reilly, and Rashida Jones

speechlesstx · Dec 10, 2008, 09:27 PM

Thanks Sarge, and I just almost made it "a day without a gay" until that.

shatriya · Jan 1, 2009, 12:02 AM

Well, I want to add something to this discussion. I know one guy who is completely straight , he has a girl friend too, and pretty much happy with her.
He has got this very close friend, they've been roommates for 4 years in college. He really like that guy, every moment he has spent with him, he enjoyed it, loved it. He love this guy more than his girl friend, and he still want to live with this guy rather than his girl friend. But it doesn't mean that he's a gay. My point is, loving a person doesn't make you gay or lesbian. Its just feelings. Its just about loving a person. What if these 2 guys marry, if that's necessary for them. I completely support it.
I don't think there should be any issue in gay marriages. Every person has a right to choose his or her life partner.

v1033 · Jan 3, 2009, 11:39 AM

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them. To wit:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Canadians, but not Mexicans. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

cozyk · Jan 3, 2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello pass:

You're just wrong..... Marriage wan't MADE. There isn't any "real" marriage, any more than there is a "real" Virginia. It ISN'T known at all that children do better with a mom and a dad. You're just making that up.

I'd like to argue with somebody who has FACTS on their side - not just more right wing Christian mumbo jumbo. Please.

excon

I don't know of any official data that proves that children do better with a mom/dad vs mom/mom or dad/dad situations. On the other hand, I personally know some children that have a horrible set of worthless straight parents. I've also seen kids in a same sex union that are happy and thriving and well adjusted. Mom/Dad parents are not necessarily any more or less qualified than same sex parents. At least in my circles.

cozyk · Jan 3, 2009, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by passmeby

Great answer, classy!! So true.

Anyway, I have to say how I can't believe how nasty the OP has been through this topic. He asked for opinions, called on Christians to answer, and then slams everyone with a differing opinion.

I don 't think gays should be allowed to marry. Not even just from a Christian perspective, I just think it's unnatural. I also think the practice of gay marriage, if legal, would be greatly abused for financial gains. Being gay is a defect, obviously. All living things have one purpose-to reproduce. Just because the times we live in now, where a person can be a productive member of society without having kids, doesn't make being gay not a defect. Obviously, if you're attracted to the same sex, you can't reproduce, and therefore, in the natural world, you are useless.

And that is my opinion, and I think YOU are wrong, excon. What, did you fall in love with your cellie or something? Is this why you are asking?

Well, I agree with excon about gays having the same rights as other couples but, like you, I thought his presentation was a little rude. You had a point there Until, you had to get that little cheap shot in on your last paragraph. Shame on you.

cozyk · Jan 3, 2009, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello mag:

excon

PS> (edited) In case anybody is confused, NOW, I'm being nasty!

Got It:D

cozyk · Jan 3, 2009, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's the only thing that makes sense and you gotta start somewhere ;)

No really? Where did they get their wives? It is the only thing that makes sense, but isn't incest pretty far up on the list of major sins? Why would God set up a situation where there was no getting around this sin? That is the trouble with the biblical story of creation. It required too much incest.

starbuck8 · Jan 5, 2009, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by passmeby

Great answer, classy!! So true.

Anyway, I have to say how I can't believe how nasty the OP has been through this topic. He asked for opinions, called on Christians to answer, and then slams everyone with a differing opinion.

I don 't think gays should be allowed to marry. Not even just from a Christian perspective, I just think it's unnatural. I also think the practice of gay marriage, if legal, would be greatly abused for financial gains. Being gay is a defect, obviously. All living things have one purpose-to reproduce. Just because the times we live in now, where a person can be a productive member of society without having kids, doesn't make being gay not a defect. Obviously, if you're attracted to the same sex, you can't reproduce, and therefore, in the natural world, you are useless.

And that is my opinion, and I think YOU are wrong, excon. What, did you fall in love with your cellie or something? Is this why you are asking?

I'm am not going to join in on this conversation, because it seems to be going nowhere. BUT, I could not passby without commenting on this. I can't believe the hatred being spewed here in this comment and a few others, from someone who claims to be a Christian.

I am incensed that you would refer to a HUMAN BEING as purposeless, defective, and useless, just because they were born gay! You also made a comparison to a marriage between same sex couples to a person marrying a horse! Do your gay family members and friends (mentioned in another of your posts) know that you find them purposeless, defective, and useless? Thou shalt not lie! It was also a contradiction to say that you didn't have a problem with said relatives and friends, yet you find them to be abominations. I find this very hypocritical! The comment made at the end of your angry, right winged words, was just pure venom!

However, I would like to thank you! Thank you for reminding me why I left the church, and organized religion. It's once again cemented in my mind, the reason I will not return to a place that is filled with people like you. You have once again raised my awareness! Your church must be proud of you for keeping another former member out! I will abide by your username, and "pass you by."

excon · Jan 5, 2009, 07:12 AM

Hello Starby:

*greenie*

Ex

starbuck8 · Jan 5, 2009, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Starby:

*greenie*

ex

Thanks Exy! :)

NeedKarma · Jan 5, 2009, 07:14 AM

Second greenie from myself. I echo your sentiments.

starbuck8 · Jan 5, 2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Second greenie from myself. I echo your sentiments.

Is it my birthday? LOL!

Synnen · Jan 5, 2009, 08:51 AM

A standing ovation (and a greenie too!) from me, Starby.

starbuck8 · Jan 5, 2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Synnen

A standing ovation (and a greenie too!) from me, Starby.

My Birthday AND Christmas all over again! Yeay! :D

Thanks Synn!

JoeCanada76 · Jan 5, 2009, 09:26 AM

I am going to comment.

Marriage is between a man and a women. Marriage has been created for man and women. It has been through the ages within the church.

As far as if homesexual or lesbians want to have a union that is up to him or her. But as far as having that union within the church, it was not meant to be.

That does not mean that Men - Men, Women - Women can not live together and be happy.

Synnen · Jan 5, 2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jesushelper76

I am going to comment.

Marriage is between a man and a women. Marriage has been created for man and women. It has been through the ages within the church.

As far as if homesexual or lesbians want to have a union that is up to him or her. But as far as having that union within the church, it was not meant to be.

That does not mean that Men - Men, Women - Women can not live together and be happy.

Like I've said before in this thread: marriage has been defined in several different ways over the centuries. 1 man and as many women as he can support is STILL acceptable in some cultures.

Like I've ALSO said before: the only way to make this fair is to have EVERYONE have to have 2 ceremonies. One for the state, for the legal stuff, and one for the church for the religious stuff.

No, you can't make a church accept gay marriages, but you CAN make the state say they will not recognize legally any union that is ONLY done in a church and not through the state as well.

excon · Jan 5, 2009, 09:39 AM

Hello Joe:

Happy New Year to you...

Nobody here is arguing with you or your church about how YOU define marriage. The problem comes when the GOVERNMENT starts to define it, by denying rights to those who THEY think shouldn't be married.

You do agree, that the government shouldn't take the position of the church, don't you? You DO agree, that they're NOT the same thing, that they don't serve the same constituency, and that government should abide by ITS principals instead of the CHURCH'S?

excon