[firmbeliever]

Thanks Firm, I have not been able to figure out haow to do that yet. :)

You just have to click on the post number on the upper right side,this will take you to the same page and post.
Now copy the link and paste.:)

[inthebox]

THank YOu

[sassyT]

Gravity, hmmmm, okay NK ....try walking off the top of a building .........NO NO .....just kidding :D

Lol.. I don't know how anyone can say there is no factual evidence for gravity. That is comical.

[sassyT]

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ml#post1094786
This is post #102
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Credo has been CLAIMING #102 is his. Yet another one of his false claims. :rolleyes:

[Credendovidis]

Credo has been CLAIMING #102 is his. Yet another one of his false claims. :rolleyes:

Another sassyT lie ! Indeed post # 102 was posted by me ! So it is not a false claim at all !

Jun 15, 2008, 02:21 AM #102
Credendovidis "May I draw attention to the leading questions of this topic?"

:rolleyes:

[De Maria]

Totally incorrect and unsupported statement !

Lol!! Love it!! Getting kind of heated aren't you? Considering that you don't care what we believe. ;)

There is ample OBJECTIVE supporting evidence available everywhere for a major part of Evolution.

The very fact that you keep repeating statements without being able to articulate what that evidence is, speaks volumes for the fact that you don't understand what you are talking about.

However there is not one single iota of OBJECTIVE supporting evidence available for any religious claim.
NOTE : NONE AT ALL !

Let me explain again.

If you could see an ape transform into a man, well, you wouldn't need any further evidence. You would have seen it with your own eyes, Credendovidis.

But you haven't seen it with your own eyes. People have presented you a stack of bones and said, "this is evidence of evolution." And you believed them because you have faith in them.

Or perhaps, you examined that stack of bones and you said to yourself, "I can see how this is evidence that man evolved from apes."

But you haven't seen it with your own eyes. All you did was arrive at that conclusion using your subjective thinking.

Many of us used the very same method to arrive at the conclusion that God exists. We see those very same bones that you saw and someone said to us, "only God could do that." And because we had faith in those individuals, we believed them.

Or many of us said, "Yes, I can see how only God could have done such a wonderful deed."

But you can prove me wrong : go for it and start with your OBJECTIVE supporting evidence for God's existence, God being the Creator, and God being 1/3 of the Trinity, together with JC and the Holy Spirit ("God" here referring to the Christian deity)

I've proved you wrong so often, I've lost count.

Facts please, no babble!

:rolleyes:

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[sassyT]

Lol!!! Love it!!! Getting kind of heated aren't you? Considering that you don't care what we believe. ;)



The very fact that you keep repeating statements without being able to articulate what that evidence is, speaks volumes for the fact that you don't understand what you are talking about.



Let me explain again.

If you could see an ape transform into a man, well, you wouldn't need any further evidence. You would have seen it with your own eyes, Credendovidis.

But you haven't seen it with your own eyes. People have presented you a stack of bones and said, "this is evidence of evolution." And you believed them because you have faith in them.

Or perhaps, you examined that stack of bones and you said to yourself, "I can see how this is evidence that man evolved from apes."

But you haven't seen it with your own eyes. All you did was arrive at that conclusion using your subjective thinking.

Many of us used the very same method to arrive at the conclusion that God exists. We see those very same bones that you saw and someone said to us, "only God could do that." And because we had faith in those individuals, we believed them.

Or many of us said, "Yes, I can see how only God could have done such a wonderful deed."



I've proved you wrong so often, I've lost count.



You took the words right out of my mouth.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Well said De Maria ;)

[Credendovidis]

Getting kind of heated aren't you? Considering that you don't care what we believe.

I never stated that I don't care. I stated that all these religious views that you and your peers believe in are so far unsupported by objective evidence , i.e. it is a load of hot air!

[Chadl0420]

www.zietgiestmovie.com

[Credendovidis]

www.zietgiestmovie.com

All I get is a link to "http://www.engineseeker.com/?=GODADDY".
What do you mean to say with that link?

:confused:

[De Maria]

I never stated that I don't care. I stated that all these religious views that you and your peers believe in are so far unsupported by objective evidence , i.e. it is a load of hot air!

Yet you fail to articulate your arguments yet again. Typical.

[WVHiflyer]

I agree that some people are awfully persistent about denying there is any objective evidence for a finite universe or common descent (evolution), obviously without having any idea one way or the other, but I think that is because they assume that scientific information, like the material in the Bible and other religious "facts," are just a matter of strenuous assertion, "my belief over yours." To me, it seems hopeless to try to coerce such people into thinking with scientific rigor about objective evidence, which is as mysterious to them as faith may be to me. My impression is that they don't even acknowledge the existence of such a thing as objective evidence and certainly won't acknowledge it when it's in front of them, as we have seen.

Bravo! I'd give you a 'greenie' if allowed.

[WVHiflyer]

This is your belief, because the reality is there is an insurmountable amount of objective, archaelogical, scientific, historical and testimonial evidence to prove the accuracy and creadibility of the Bible.

Yes, there is considerable evidence for many of the historical aspects of the Bible, but not one iota for any of the religious, miraculous, or supernatural aspects. (And ask anyone in law enforcement; eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable kind of evidence there is.)

[WVHiflyer]

As soon as you prove to us that these beliefs of yours are actual facts then we will attempt to give you the objective evidence for God you've been yearning for.

The 'proof' you claim to want (when you don't want it at all) has been given in the way of links and sites for you to peruse. I'd think a "science biology masters student' would be willing to check out the sites. There is just so much evidence that it cannot be presented here simply. (I was going to say to simple minds, but I'll try not to stoop to your level.)

And you cannot provide any objective evidence for God - any god - because, by definition, it cannot exist.

[WVHiflyer]

Here is another you can evade.
Quote:

Scoop: Mazur: Altenberg! The Woodstock of Evolution?
"Oh sure natural selection's been demonstrated. . . the interesting point, however, is that it has rarely if ever been demonstrated to have anything to do with evolution in the sense of long-term changes in populations. . . . Summing up we can see that the import of the Darwinian theory of evolution is just unexplainable caprice from top to bottom. What evolves is just what happened to happen."

"Well there's 25,000 genes, so each could be on or off. So there's 2 x 2 x 2 x 25,000 times. Well that's 2 to the 25,000th. Right? Which is something like 10 to the 7,000th. Okay? There's only 10 to the 80th particles in the whole universe. Are you stunned?"


These are phd[s] that question evolution, which in past posts you say you don't believe yet see evidence for.

This is the post from inthebox I was trying to point out earlier when handicapped by using my phone to post (Credo, are you rude to all the handicapped? <g>)

The 2nd quote 'box' gives, was concerning the fact that while there are a limited number of genes, enzymes and proteins affect them in a myriad of ways to bring about changes ion the way they are expressed - some of them rather major.

And all of those attending are evolutionists. They fully accept the evidence. Their only quibbles are the manner in which the changes occur - the mechanisms, not evolution itself. Some question whether natural selection (the effect of environment on whether something survives) plays a major role in major evolutionary changes.

inthebox, did you read the entire story you quoted from?

[Credendovidis]

.... Credo, are you rude to all the handicapped? <g> ....

No, only to those whose posts show lack of respect due to their use of too much "SMS language" :)
If I wanted be rude to all the (mental) handicapped, I would have to be rude to almost everyone here, except you and few others, of course ! LOL

:D

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[De Maria]

Yes, there is considerable evidence for many of the historical aspects of the Bible, but not one iota for any of the religious, miraculous, or supernatural aspects. (And ask anyone in law enforcement; eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable kind of evidence there is.)

Really?

Then why is eyewitness testimony accepted in EVERY court in the world?

[De Maria]

The 'proof' you claim to want (when you don't want it at all) has been given in the way of links and sites for you to peruse. I'd think a "science biology masters student' would be willing to check out the sites. There is just so much evidence that it cannot be presented here simply. (I was gonna say to simple minds, but I'll try not to stoop to your level.)

And you cannot provide any objective evidence for God - any god - because, by definition, it cannot exist.

As I said before. I've viewed that evidence. It really amounts to a bunch of bones which people attribute to certain animals. Then they make a giant leap of faith and say, this animal evolved into this other one.

But they never saw one animal evolve into the other, they had to deduce that from the evidence.

Well, looking at the very same evidence, we deduce that God created it. Because no human being could have and there is no other intelligence in this universe who could have created anything so wonderful. And if that animal evolved into the other one, only God could have done that also. Because the animals certainly didn't convene a meeting and say, hey, from now on, we'll be chimps.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[Credendovidis]

... But they never saw one animal evolve into the other, they had to deduce that from the evidence...

Just as theists never saw any deity in reality, so they had to deduce that from their subjective evidence...

The difference being that for evolution there are mountains of objective supportive evidence that backs up the findings and general theory, while for religion there is no objective supported evidence at all!!

:rolleyes:

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[sassyT]

...

The difference being that for evolution there are mountains of objective supportive evidence that backs up the findings and general theory, while for religion there is no objective supported evidence at all!!

There is no OBJECTIVE evidence for evolution, just a bunch of subjective theoretical bable that has not been proven... lol There is nothing objective about it. It is just based on a Dawinist subjective point of view. ZERO conclusive fossil record to show for it and yet people like you believe in it by FAITH.