[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: Questions that form a pattern: I'm going way back for this one but, you know, the Federal Income Tax was only supposed to be a "temporary tax": What in the hell happened with that? Why is it institutionalized? Why do states without income taxes thrive? Why does New England shrivel and dry up and businesses leave while the South grows and flourishes?

Now, point of it all is that Trump didn't start any of this Merry Go Round Of Pain and he probably will not finish or stop any of it.....However, when we claim Trump is the root of all evil, its just not realistic. Trump doesn't follow rules, he just doesn't, and he probably won't in the future....he makes his own rules in many cases. All these things that are said about him, I know a lot of them are true but the guy is a winner, he has a horseshoe up his . I don't necessarily like him but, good God, I can think of plenty of people who have attempted to become president that would have made Trump look like a statesman, a scholar, and, perhaps, a Saint. He, possibly, isn't the "best" but he certainly isn't the worse.

Trump is a lot of things to a lot of people, and those opinions range from him being a Son Of A From Hell to The Best President Ever.....what he is, really, is something between the extremes. He isn't my favorite but, you know what, I am really proud he isn't a Macron! MACRON: THE REAL DUFUS! Now, Matteo Salvini, there is a man with balls! Men like him will save Europe from wimps like Macron and bullies like the Germans!

[talaniman]

So you think threatening to deport children and families while they are being treated in the hospital and giving them 30 days to comply is a great way to handling migrants?

[paraclete]

So you think threatening to deport children and families while they are being treated in the hospital and giving them 30 days to comply is a great way to handling migrants?

In all honesty people should be treated well whether they are refugees or not

[Athos]

However, when we claim Trump is the root of all evil, its just not realistic...he makes his own rules in many cases. All these things that are said about him, I know a lot of them are true but the guy is a winner, he has a horseshoe up his .... I can think of plenty of people who have attempted to become president that would have made Trump look like a statesman, a scholar, and, perhaps, a Saint. He, possibly, isn't the "best" but he certainly isn't the worse.

Trump is a lot of things to a lot of people, and those opinions range from him being a Son Of A From Hell to The Best President Ever.....what he is, really, is something between the extremes

Trump is by far the nearest to evil of any US president. As a malignant narcissist, he lacks all empathy and shows no concern for the least of these - the children locked up in cages. Now, as noted above, he is demanding children with life-threatening illnesses be deported within 33 days. The only available treatment is in the US. The notification was made by letter with NO APPEAL, and arrived halfway through the 33-day period. In effect, Trump is sentencing these children to death.

You say you can think of "plenty of people" running for president who would have made Trump look like a statesman, a scholar, and a saint. This is one of your most preposterous comments. Please name one single human being, dead or alive, wishing to be president who made Trump look like you say. Just one! Are you observing the same Trump the rest of the world is seeing?

NO ONE, NOWHERE, NO HOW EVER CALLED TRUMP THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER. Sorry, one did - Trump himself.

"The guy is a winner", you say - that's runner-up for most preposterous statement ever. I assume you're referring to his business acumen. Let's review that. He failed in every single business he started with the single exception of his TV show. Trump vodka, Trump Airline, Trump University ( an absolute fraud), Trump Steaks - and Gambling casinos that he declared bankruptcy for - a business that at the time was booming, but Trump managed to run into the ground. He publicly stated that bankruptcy was a way for him to make money - i.e., his investors were left losing the money.

Trump's money was inherited from his father. The father's real estate kept Trump going. Trump was such a bad businessman, he could not get a single US bank to lend him a dime. Finally, Deutsche Bank floated him half a billion or so. Do you know that bank? That's the one fined for laundering money and is in bed with the Russian oligarchs. One pundit claimed that Putin's Russians co-signed the loan (still not verified - but sounds true).

You don't seem to understand what racism is. How about declining to rent to African-Americans, being fined by the Feds, then doing it again? African-American applications were marked with a large C for Colored. Is that racist enough for you? Many nefarious forms of racism are a bit too subtle for you, based on what you wrote. It is not necessary to use the N word to be racist.

Then there's the payments to porn stars which he denied until the check signed by him was produced. His attempts to emasculate NATO. (I wonder why he's doing that? Hmm.) And, finally for now, the bizarre tariffs that are killing American farmers. Trump has proven that he has no clue how tariffs operate.

[Wondergirl]

This was today's very well-written political column in the Chicago Sun-Times --

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ess-gene-lyons

[tomder55]

Psychiatrists don’t call personality disorders like Trump’s mental illnesses, because there are no known treatments. Only diagnoses.

and evidently they can diagnose from afar without ever having a sit down session with the subject of their "diagnosis" .Not one of the "

psychiatrists and mental health professionals" who wrote

“A Duty to Warn,” has ever had a session with Trump. Maybe they haven't heard of the Goldwater rule of their profession.

Section 7.3 in the Principles of Medical Ethics with Annotations Especially Applicable to Psychiatry :

On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.

file:///C:/Users/Tom/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe/TempState/Downloads/principles-medical-ethics%20(1).pdf

[Wondergirl]

From the link I posted:

Here’s something psychotherapist Elizabeth Mika wrote in 2017 during Trump’s first week in office:

"What we know about malignant narcissists is that they psychologically decompensate once they achieve the ultimate position of power. They worsen in every possible way: become more grandiose and paranoid, more aggressive and demanding, and progressively less in touch with reality … We can expect his narcissistic rage to intensify in proportion to his increasing grandiosity and paranoia.

“His handlers will have to resort to increasingly more ‘creative’ ways to placate and subdue him — and it will work, for a while, until it doesn’t.“
There’ll be blood, symbolic, if not literal, as he’ll fire and destroy his previously ‘trusted’ associates, maybe even in rapid succession and without any rhyme or reason.

“His demands for adulation will also become more intense and bizarre, and we’ll be witnessing idiotic and quite possibly dangerous displays of his ‘superiority’ … It’s not only that he will never get better, but it is certain that he will get worse.”

(Sound like anyone we know, tomder?)

[tomder55]

is that her profession diagnosis of Trump based on having a session with him and he agreeing to her releasing her diagnosis ? Gene Lyons called it a diagnosis . By her own profession's standards what she wrote is unethical .

[Wondergirl]

is that her profession diagnosis of Trump based on having a session with him and he agreeing to her releasing her diagnosis ? Gene Lyons called it a diagnosis . By her own profession's standards what she wrote is unethical .

It isn't a diagnosis. It's a prediction. And she hit the nail on the head!

And, like Gene mentioned, many psychologists and psychiatrists and mental health professionals are mandated reporters. It isn't required that they've met with the individual.

[Athos]

Trump has been so publicly revealing in his tweets, statements, and driveway pressers that the Goldwater Rule isn't necessary to diagnose him. In any case, the organization that formulated the Rule does not apply to all psychiatrists and is not legally binding.

Here's more from WG's link:

What we know about malignant narcissists is that they psychologically decompensate once they achieve the ultimate position of power. They worsen in every possible way: become more grandiose and paranoid, more aggressive and demanding, and progressively less in touch with reality … We can expect his narcissistic rage to intensify in proportion to his increasing grandiosity and paranoia. “His handlers will have to resort to increasingly more ‘creative’ ways to placate and subdue him — and it will work, for a while, until it doesn’t.“

There’ll be blood, symbolic, if not literal, as he’ll fire and destroy his previously ‘trusted’ associates, maybe even in rapid succession and without any rhyme or reason.

“His demands for adulation will also become more intense and bizarre, and we’ll be witnessing idiotic and quite possibly dangerous displays of his ‘superiority’ … It’s not only that he will never get better, but it is certain that he will get worse.”

Trump’s bizarre antics at the G7 meetings in France were like a fire alarm in the night.

“Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China …”

“Hereby ordered,” no less. Hear that, Apple and General Motors?

Psychiatrists don’t call personality disorders like Trump’s mental illnesses, because there are no known causes or treatments. Only diagnoses. People like him are one of nature’s nasty little tricks, like smallpox and ticks.
And when they get into power, chaos follows. Every single time.

Problem is.... America’s “Vichy Republicans” hold veto power and are paralyzed for fear of their own credulous voters.
This story may not end well.


A perfect description of Trump's behavior.

("Vichy Republicans" - I love it!!)

[Athos]

Excuse the duplication. Had a rough time with the c/p. Anyway, two heads are better than one, I heard.

[Vacuum7]

Look, it is all quite simple, to me: The left has a narrative about anything and anyone who doesn't walk their walk and talk their talk. That narrative was written before Trump ever won the Republican Primary....in other word, the narrative was written and a blank was installed for the name to be inserted later. The left insists on using the same old, tired, and worn out slanders they have used since the 60's: Call your Republican opponent racist, call them, fascist, call them xenophobic, call them cruel, call them anti-poor, call them pro-big business, etc.....this is their playbook and it has had successes over the years. And, there have been some amendments to the playbook, like the weird and fake Russia garbage, but, by and large, it has been consistent. Adding the "psychiatrically questionable" part is something new and it is not going to help them gain any traction. I'm not a Trump sycophant, and there are many areas I am out of tune with him on, but he is going to win reelection again and he should. Why should he win reelection? He should win reelection because his allegiance to the U.S. is unquestionable and his priorities are clearly purposed to the pass-fail test of "IS THIS GOOD FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?" He recognizes that he and the people inhibiting the U.S. are not "Citizens Of The World" but are Citizens Of The United States Of America. I don't know about the rest of you but I grew tired of wondering whether or not my POTUS really loved the U.S. or not....with Trump, there is no question!

[Wondergirl]

Wikipedia even has an entry for "Vichy Republicans":

Vichy Republican was a term first used in 2009 to designate Republicans who sold out on their own party by collaborating with the Democrats against true conservative values and goals^[1]. This term has also since emerged on social media in 2016 in regards to the United States Presidential campaign of Donald Trump but with an opposing definition. It refers to members of the Republican Party who have chosen to support Donald Trump's candidacy due to political expediency rather than genuine agreement with his beliefs or campaign.^[2] The term originates from Vichy France, which was the wartime location of the French government which collaborated with the Axis Powers during the Occupation of France during World War II opposed by the Free France led by Charles de Gaulle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_Republican

[Wondergirl]

Vacuum7, you commented, "he is going to win reelection again and he should." Haven't you been watching him and listening to him? He doesn't WANT to win reelection!

[Vacuum7]

WG (Wondergirl): I think Trump does want to win again.....I think it is something of an internal calling within him to serve the nation.

All jokes aside, all partisan feelings aside, Trump has been talking about his concerns for the U.S. for a very long time....I think as far back as the late 70's....that is a lot longer than anyone in our current government or those in the field that aspire to become part of our current government....no one can take that away from him. You must also know that many on the left felt there was nothing wrong with Trump for many, many years: Look how many times Oprah has had him on her show.....it has only been different since he announced his candidacy for POTUS.

Speaking to you, WG, as a woman: I know he has had proclivities when it came to women, things about that part of Trump's life that aren't something to be proud of but I can assure you that every man on the planet has some element of that about them and most are able to "keep the beast in chains" and behave...but some aren't able to do it....having faith in God helps but it is up to each individual man to behave and be a man and not reveal the animal that we all can be under the right circumstances....most of how we behave comes from "how" we were raised with respect to how a man should cherish and respect women....I was raised by a Mother and Father who would have beaten the hide off of me if I acted up with women the way I see me treat them today! Its and expectation that you are expected to live up to and most of us do.

Is there a reason why Bill Clinton gets a pass for his numerous "Bimbo Eruptions" (at least one while he WAS POTUS) but Trump gets no such passes? "What Is Good For The Goose Is Good For The Gander!" is the way we should treat anything in life: We must be evenhanded.

[tomder55]

Social services workers are required to report when, in their official or professional role, they are presented with a reasonable cause to suspect child abuse or maltreatment where any person is before the

mandated reporter

and the

mandated reporter

is acting in his or her official or professional capacity.

https://ocfs.ny.gov/main/publications/Pub1159.pdf

Again ;they are NOT acting in their professional capacity if they are "reporting " from afar . What they are doing is malpractice quackery . The Goldwater rule was written specifically for this type of circumstance ….where they can smear a political figure based on some pseudo professional observation.

[Wondergirl]

from V7 to WG (Wondergirl): I think Trump does want to win again.....I think it is something of an internal calling within him to serve the nation.

Trump is multiple times a day knocking himself out to let us all know he is so weary of this job and so much wants it to be over with. He wants to drive his own car again and sleep late and play endless golf games and not have to hold Melania's hand when they're together in public. His putting-tariffs-on-China move was the most outrageous, most obvious move to tell us he wants out. Or is he, the Art-of-the-Deal guy, really that clueless as to what the tariffs will do to us (starting tomorrow on many retail products made in China)?

[Athos]

Tomder ----- The American Psychoanalytic Association is hardly malpractice therapy.

Rather than dwell on a rule, why not carefully read what has been written about Trump and decide on its own merits.

[Wondergirl]

https://ocfs.ny.gov/main/publications/Pub1159.pdf

Again ;they are NOT acting in their professional capacity if they are "reporting " from afar . What they are doing is malpractice quackery . The Goldwater rule was written specifically for this type of circumstance ….where they can smear a political figure based on some pseudo professional observation.

You're incorrect, tomder. Observation is sufficient. Tune in to Dr. Phil weekday afternoons for further enlightenment on mandated reporting. And the professional observation is not "pseudo."

[Athos]

Trump does want to win again.....I think it is something of an internal calling within him to serve the nation.

Trump wants more, his only calling is to MORE.

Trump has been talking about his concerns for the U.S. for a very long time....I think as far back as the late 70's....that is a lot longer than anyone in our current government or those in the field that aspire to become part of our current government....no one can take that away from him.

Are you serious? How about replying to the ACTUAL things Trump has done over the years?

Look how many times Oprah has had him on her show.....it has only been different since he announced his candidacy for POTUS.

Are you seriously suggesting appearances on Oprah indicate anything about Trump except his need to be in the spotlight? It is hard to know how to answer such balderdash. Every time I read your posts, I wonder how you could be so completely ignorant of what has been happening in the USA? Oprah is your example? Oprah? She would have Jack the Ripper on if it helped the ratings.

Speaking to you, WG, as a woman: I know he has had proclivities when it came to women, things about that part of Trump's life that aren't something to be proud of but I can assure you that every man on the planet has some element of that about them and most are able to "keep the beast in chains" and behave...but some aren't able to do it....having faith in God helps but it is up to each individual man to behave and be a man and not reveal the animal that we all can be under the right circumstances....most of how we behave comes from "how" we were raised with respect to how a man should cherish and respect women....I was raised by a Mother and Father who would have beaten the hide off of me if I acted up with women the way I see me treat them today! Its and expectation that you are expected to live up to and most of us do.

An absolutely incredible paragraph!! Defend Trump because he can't "keep the beast in chains". There is a word for that. You're not helping Trump with such lunacy.

Is there a reason why Bill Clinton gets a pass for his numerous "Bimbo Eruptions" (at least one while he WAS POTUS) but Trump gets no such passes? "What Is Good For The Goose Is Good For The Gander!" is the way we should treat anything in life: We must be evenhanded.

Let me pose a question for you. Do we give Trump a pass because somebody else got a pass? Does one criminal get off the hook because not all criminals have been brought to justice?

Sorry, but your posts are bordering on the absurd, which is why they bring out such pointed replies.