[talaniman]

Who left it up to the child to decide... child as in, pregnant teenager. Either way they should be told the truth. Abortion effects more than the one person.

A teen by law can make their own choice once they reach 18, so I assume you mean younger, and by law parental/guardian has to give consent for such a matter.

[waltero]

A teen by law can make their own choice once they reach 18, so I assume you mean younger, and by law parental/guardian has to give consent for such a matter.

Don't let them fool you.

Nearly every state has judicial bypass options that allow a pregnant teenager to obtain a judge’s permission to proceed with an abortion without involving her parents. Furthermore, some states allow a physician to waive parental involvement, and some allow a teen to have a professional counseling instead of parental involvement.

[jlisenbe]

You'll just have to use your common sense on this one, and live with your own conscious like we all do, and obey the law, or maybe step up and commit to taking these babies in your own house, and not pass that responsibility to others who clearly don't want it. I know you won't like my answer, but it is my answer.

In other words, you don't know why you believe what you believe, which is what I find to be true of most liberals.

[Wondergirl]

In other words, you don't know why you believe what you believe, which is what I find to be true of most liberals.

Why must you always shame a responder?

[talaniman]

Don't let them fool you.

Nearly every state has judicial bypass options that allow a pregnant teenager to obtain a judge’s permission to proceed with an abortion without involving her parents. Furthermore, some states allow a physician to waive parental involvement, and some allow a teen to have a professional counseling instead of parental involvement.

Yes they do and I recognize that beyond that there are still ways for underage teens to get what they want. It's not a perfect world by any means.

[jlisenbe]

You have not yet become a responder since you have not answered the question. Anyway, it is not my ambition to shame anyone, but to cause people to think a little about why they believe what they believe. It is not an insignificant question, but rather it is one that every American should think carefully about and be able to answer. Lives are at stake. But if you guys want to drop it, we'll just drop it.

[talaniman]

In other words, you don't know why you believe what you believe, which is what I find to be true of most liberals.

That was uncalled for and completely untrue. Talk about making stuff up! That's like saying ALL conservatives are against abortion, or ALL Christians for that matter. I think it's the right way to go for me, your disagreement notwithstanding.

Why must you always shame a responder?

That's beyond JL's capacity! I am firm in what I believe, he knows that but you know how those hardline religious types are WG.

[Wondergirl]

You have not yet become a responder since you have not answered the question. Anyway, it is not my ambition to shame anyone, but to cause people to think a little about why they believe what they believe. It is not an insignificant question, but rather it is one that every American should think carefully about and be able to answer. Lives are at stake. But if you guys want to drop it, we'll just drop it.

The responder was Tal, not me, whom you were shaming (this time). Now I finally understand you. What you post does not get people to think but instead to become defensive or frustrated with your inability (unwillingness?) to engage in an honest and hopefully fruitful discussion.

[jlisenbe]

That was uncalled for and completely untrue. Talk about making stuff up! That's like saying ALL conservatives are against abortion, or ALL Christians for that matter. I think it's the right way to go for me, your disagreement notwithstanding.

Not sure what part you are suggesting is untrue, but in saying that you cannot explain why you believe it is OK to kill an unborn child but not OK to kill a child already born, it sure seems to be true. Don't mean to be shocking, but it would be nice to see some people who might actually think, "Dear Lord. What if abortion really is the taking of an innocent life? Maybe I should be sure that is not the case before I support it."

It has been my experience in life that liberals generally do not seem to think through what they believe. It is, of course, also true of some conservatives, and has been true of me in the past on more than one occasion. Thankfully, I do have some people around me who will call me out on that when I do it.

The responder was Tal, not me, whom you were shaming. Now I finally understand you.

Why not become one now?

[talaniman]

You have not yet become a responder since you have not answered the question. Anyway, it is not my ambition to shame anyone, but to cause people to think a little about why they believe what they believe. It is not an insignificant question, but rather it is one that every American should think carefully about and be able to answer. Lives are at stake. But if you guys want to drop it, we'll just drop it.

I thought about it long ago, and hope it gets better. Your just being a hardnose dude wrapped around your own self righteousness. Thanks for caring and sharing, but I really need no provocation to consider this subject. Or most others one old goat to another.

[jlisenbe]

I thought about it long ago, and hope it gets better. Your just being a hardnose dude wrapped around your own self righteousness. Thanks for caring and sharing, but I really need no provocation to consider this subject. Or most others one old goat to another.

Am I hardnosed? OK. I'll take that one. Self-righteous? No. My righteousness comes from Christ by faith. I absolutely believe I should be able to explain why I believe in whatever. When it comes to abortion, it just amazes me that anyone could look at those two pics posted above and continue to support abortion, and not even stop to consider the question I posted above. If you can't answer that, then your conscience should keep you awake at night.

[Wondergirl]

Why not become one now?

I will if you ask an honest question. I will respond with a well-thought-out answer. Then ask me a related question, and I will continue the discussion with another well-thought-out response. Maybe it would help if we numbered each question along with the answer received. E.g., 1) JL's Q: What is your name? WG's A: My name is WG. 2) WG's Q. What's your name? JL's A: My name is JL.

[jlisenbe]

Well, I've already asked an honest question and have received no answer at all. But OK, I like the concept. Fire away, but just be aware that you already know what my first question will be. I'm a little leary of this with you since, in my view, you have a history of extraordinary evasiveness, but go ahead and ask.

[Wondergirl]

->You have not yet become a responder since you have not answered the question.
->It has been my experience in life that liberals generally do not seem to think through what they believe.
->When it comes to abortion, it just amazes me that anyone could look at those two pics posted above and continue to support abortion.
->If you can't answer that, then your conscience should keep you awake at night.

Shaming comments.... Please stop.

Well, I've already asked an honest question and have received no answer at all. But OK, I like the concept. Fire away, but just be aware that you already know what my first question will be. I'm a little leary of this with you since, in my view, you have a history of extraordinary evasiveness, but go ahead and ask.

You didn't need to post all the verbal debris. All you needed to say was, "OK, I like the concept! My first question is...."

[jlisenbe]

You want me to go first?

Shaming comments.... Please stop.

They were, in my view, not shaming comments but thought-provoking.


OK, if you want me to go first, I'll start with this. 1. Is there a MORAL difference between killing an unborn child and killing a child already born? If so, what is the difference?

[talaniman]

Define whose morals

[paraclete]

Typical leftist, avoiding the moral imperative

[Wondergirl]

They were, in my view, not shaming comments but thought-provoking.

Had I said any of these to you,

->You have not yet become a responder since you have not answered the question.
->It has been my experience in life that conservatives generally do not seem to think through what they believe.
->When it comes to abortion, it just amazes me that anyone could look at those two pics posted above and continue to deny abortion to desperate women.
->If you can't answer that, then your conscience should keep you awake at night.

the aspens would still be quaking!

[talaniman]

Typical leftist, avoiding the moral imperative

Whose moral imperative?

[jlisenbe]

Had I said any of these to you,

->You have not yet become a responder since you have not answered the question.
->It has been my experience in life that conservatives generally do not seem to think through what they believe.
->When it comes to abortion, it just amazes me that anyone could look at those two pics posted above and continue to deny abortion to desperate women.
->If you can't answer that, then your conscience should keep you awake at night.

the aspens would still be quaking!

If I could not explain my position, I would expect to hear those things and more.

You sure are slow to answer the question.

See everyone tomorrow.