[jlisenbe]

And let's see now. Whose idea was it to give billions of borrowed dollars to GM? Oh yeah. It was that famous democrat pres, wasn't it?

I really don't know what your point is about GM. They did a lousy job of anticipating future trends in the auto business and it has jumped up and bitten them. When companies do a lousy job in the free enterprise system, it ends up bad. However, when companies do well, as many are doing now, they prosper and their employees keep their jobs. The democrat pres you admire so much tried to prop them up and it hasn't turned out too well. So much for government interference.

[talaniman]

That doesn't explain why GM is moving to Mexico after the great tax cut windfall from the Dufus, and his sycophants, does it?

[jlisenbe]

GM is moving some production from Canada to Mexico. They are moving some truck production from Mexico to Flint. The beat goes on. In the meantime, unemployment is at 3.7%. Whining and complaining seem somehow out of place.

But none of this impacts the cost of health care.

[talaniman]

GM is moving some production from Canada to Mexico. They are moving some truck production from Mexico to Flint. The beat goes on. In the meantime, unemployment is at 3.7%. Whining and complaining seem somehow out of place.

But none of this impacts the cost of health care.

Obviously you have never seen what happens to towns when plants move out, or have any sympathy for those losing there jobs... AMERICANS!

https://www.vox.com/business-and-fin...-tariffs-trump

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...generalmotors/

The company said Monday that it will stop production at five plants next year. The affected plants are Detroit-Hamtramck and Warren Transmission in Michigan, Lordstown Assembly in Ohio, Oshawa Assembly in Ontario, Canada, and Baltimore Operations in Maryland.The closures will affect some 3,300 workers in the U.S., and another 3,000 globally.

YUP! The beat goes on, for some anyway.

[jlisenbe]

I have great sympathy for those who lose their jobs, but I don't plan on living in some sort of fantasy land where everything always turns out wonderful. When unemployment is as low as it is now, it borders on indecent to find the nothing but the negative to gripe about. I know what it's like to be unemployed. Did that for fifteen months in my younger days. We just got busy and made it through. It's life.

[paraclete]

You mean you don't live in the great american utopia made great by the great american dope

[jlisenbe]

If it takes a dope to get to historic lows in unemployment, then we need a lot more of them.

[talaniman]

Obama got him most of the way.

[paraclete]

The whole thing is interesting, what is a taxation, in the form of tariff, led recovery. BO sought to also use taxation to reform health care. How Trump can reduce the tax to the rich and tax the poor in the form of tariffs eludes me, obviously a great man of the people

[jlisenbe]

tax the poor in the form of tariffs eludes me, obviously a great man of the people

That's one way to look at it. Another way is the use of tariffs to protect American jobs.

[paraclete]

I think you will find that those protections will be short lived, he is likely to do more damage than good

[jlisenbe]

I think you will find that those protections will be short lived, he is likely to do more damage than good

Could be. I am not a big fan of Mr. Trump, but I do like the fact that he does not sit idly by while foreign competitors are allowed unfair advantages over American companies. We'll see if he can do much about it or not, but at least he is giving it a go.

[talaniman]

He's a dufus and tariffs have been tried before and failed. Even conservatives are wondering What the FARK!

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-12-1027805823

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco.../#15e293074b88

Glad you like the bluster and hell raising but he ain't done squat.

[paraclete]

Now, Tal, be fair he hasn't been idle. He has worn his finger to the bone on twitter announcing policy on the run. Every idea that has crossed his path no matter how bizzaire has feature in his twitter. Twitter on little bird, but watch out for the snare

[talaniman]

Well repubs are at it again...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oba...by-texas-judge

Seems after controlling congress for 8 years, with the WH the last 2, they would have finally figured out a plan. They didn't. Of course dems will appeal.

This latest conservative antic will surely save us all a bunch of money.

[jlisenbe]

Obama ran up nearly ten tril in debt in only eight years. Please don't try and tell me you are concerned about the national debt. You only look for a convenient brick to throw at Trump.

[talaniman]

You really cannot see that running a debt during a recession is a MUST for governments? You really cannot understand that bringing out and adding to the budget not one but two wars was a GREAT move to shed light the TRUE costs of such endeavors, so as to be dealt with responsibly? Hey dude just look at where we were before and after Obama! Something worked pretty good if the dufus inherited a great economy and MANAGEABLE debt. It's still manageable, but repubs are notorious for not doing that well with the people's money. YES there is much evidence of that. So get off blaming Obama and stay on the dufus because even you must admit there is much more to throw at him than praise him for.

I mean lets start with what has the dufus done with the debt and deficit, or repubs in general the last two years? Be warned I have FACTS, EVIDENCE, and plenty of bricks, so what have YOU got? FAIR as I can get?

[jlisenbe]

You really cannot see that running a debt during a recession is a MUST? You really cannot understand that bringing out and adding to the budget not one but two wars was a GREAT move to shed light the TRUE costs of such endeavors, so as to be dealt with responsibly? Hey dude jut look at where we were before and after Obama!

Yeah. More than doubling the national debt was a really responsible move. But so much of it was absolutely essential spending such as giving out free cell phones and bailing out your beloved GM.

[talaniman]

So you would rather have hundreds of thousands of your fellow Americans unemployed during a time when we were losing jobs at a fantastic pace already? Bailouts were a LOAN that has been repaid, and that's not a good move? You did know that those loans had a jobs program for the states and tax relief for many Americans don't you or do you need some links to the facts and evidence... AGAIN?

In the meantime while you mull that over, MORE BRICKS!



The had a cell phone program before Obama got there.

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

This informal practice was codified when the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC) was

created as part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act to "ensure all Americans, including low-income consumers and those who live in rural, insular, high cost areas, shall have affordable service and [to] help to connect eligible schools, libraries, and rural health care providers to the global telecommunications network." The USAC includes four programs to serve rural areas, high cost areas, rural health care providers, and schools and libraries. Since 1997, USAC has provided discounted land line service to low-income individuals. (A more limited program to offer assistance to low-income individuals was created a decade earlier; the telecommunications act expanded and formalized it.) According to Eric Iversen, USAC director of external relations, the Universal Service Fund more recently began funding programs that provide wireless service, such as the pre-paid cellular SafeLink program mentioned in the chain e-mail.

[Athos]

So you would rather have hundreds of thousands of your fellow Americans unemployed during a time when we were losing jobs at a fantastic pace already? Bailouts were a LOAN that has been repaid, and that's not a good move? You did know that those loans had a jobs program for the states and tax relief for many Americans don't you or do you need some links to the facts and evidence... AGAIN?

In the meantime while you mull that over, MORE BRICKS!



The had a cell phone program before Obama got there.

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

This informal practice was codified when the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC) was

created as part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act to "ensure all Americans, including low-income consumers and those who live in rural, insular, high cost areas, shall have affordable service and [to] help to connect eligible schools, libraries, and rural health care providers to the global telecommunications network." The USAC includes four programs to serve rural areas, high cost areas, rural health care providers, and schools and libraries. Since 1997, USAC has provided discounted land line service to low-income individuals. (A more limited program to offer assistance to low-income individuals was created a decade earlier; the telecommunications act expanded and formalized it.) According to Eric Iversen, USAC director of external relations, the Universal Service Fund more recently began funding programs that provide wireless service, such as the pre-paid cellular SafeLink program mentioned in the chain e-mail.

Funny how a little truth clears up so many right-wing falsehoods. Trump could use a moral bath and scrub himself with a truthbrush.