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    #181

    Jun 24, 2015, 02:34 AM
    Let's get this straight, a niger calling a niger a niger is not a racist comment. Only in the twisted mind of america could it be considered so. You really have to get over yourselves. You refer to race all the time and really it is just as offensive, it just doesn't use that word. You think I want to be referred to as a white anything, or an irish anything. Your racism is astounding
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    #182

    Jun 24, 2015, 02:59 AM
    What was his point?
    tal did you listen to him or read his quote in context ? Where he was right was in pointing out how far we've come from the pre-civil rights days to today. Where he is wrong is in saying racism is in our dna. Maybe it's built into the dna of someone who would sit for 20 years listening to Rev Wright's rants.

    He specifically pointed out Jim Crow laws ;which only existed in a handful of the states . So how does that make it then a legacy of discrimination" in almost every institution of our lives " . His insults to the majority of America does not help race relations.

    Almost as long a legacy is that of the progressive race baiters who exploit race for political power. I can and have pointed to the roots of progressive politics in this country and find a horrible history . Their attitudes towards people of color by the likes of Teddy Roosevelt ,Woodrow Wilson , Margaret Sanger etc that is still part of the Democrat heritage is well documented . And I'm not just talking about early 20th century . I'm talking about one of the most beloved living Democrats today .....Or do you conveniently forget this :
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    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Let's get this straight, a niger calling a niger a niger is not a racist comment. Only in the twisted mind of america could it be considered so. You really have to get over yourselves. You refer to race all the time and really it is just as offensive, it just doesn't use that word. You think I want to be referred to as a white anything, or an irish anything. Your racism is astounding
    The truth is that it is a derogatory word that has no place in conversation today.
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    #183

    Jun 24, 2015, 04:16 AM
    You posted those images giving the impression that they are official pins from their campaign. Of course they are not, they're made by people in opposition.

    It's important to note that there is no indicator that these buttons were actually made and distributed by the actual Clinton-Gore campaign. The second, with its cut-out photos of the candidates, almost certainly isn't.
    One indicator that it isn't official is that it lacks a union "bug," the little marker showing that a piece of campaign material was printed in a union shop. If you look at other Clinton-Gore buttons, nearly all — but not all — have a bug somewhere. The buttons below, from CampaignButtons-Etc.com, have their union bugs circled.
    Quote Originally Posted by tomdurrr
    This great uniter has done all he can to stoke division in this country
    All I see in this thread is you creating as much divisiveness as you can... every single day.
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    #184

    Jun 24, 2015, 04:56 AM
    The N word is derogatory when it comes from another race that thinks they are superior and waving a flag that stands for supremacy over other races. That was the context of the president point. We have argued how the founding fathers wrote all are equal, but in practice the actions behind the words was diluted because most were not ready for such a concept.

    After a few centuries, some still are NOT, and while the language of racism has been cleaned up, the practices have not, just gotten more sophisticated. How else would you explain the undying support of the alliance with Israel while thumbing your nose at your fellow Americans who came from slaves?

    You even acknowledge their history and turn around and tell your own fellow Americans get over it. That's been the point all along but as was centuries ago, you don't want to hear that do you?
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    #185

    Jun 24, 2015, 07:48 AM
    The N word is derogatory when it comes from another race that thinks they are superior and waving a flag that stands for supremacy over other races.
    The N word is derogatory ...period . Also I already said that the flag should be removed from all States that still fly it as their official flag.

    That was the context of the president point. We have argued how the founding fathers wrote all are equal, but in practice the actions behind the words was diluted because most were not ready for such a concept.
    No I was correct .Where he is wrong is in saying racism is in our dna. He would only make such a comment of a country he hates .

    and while the language of racism has been cleaned up, the practices have not, just gotten more sophisticated.
    All I have to say is BS . Even the emperor recognized the difference between now and a generation ago.
    You even acknowledge their history and turn around and tell your own fellow Americans get over it.
    no, you fail to acknowledge how far the country has come.

    How else would you explain the undying support of the alliance with Israel while thumbing your nose at your fellow Americans who came from slaves?
    Don't even know what you are talking about or how our alliance with Israel has anything to do with race relations in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Needaclue View Post
    You posted those images giving the impression that they are official pins from their campaign. Of course they are not, they're made by people in opposition.



    All I see in this thread is you creating as much divisiveness as you can... every single day.
    And all I see you doing again is throwing peanuts from the cheap seats.
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    #186

    Jun 24, 2015, 08:14 AM
    And all I see you doing again is throwing peanuts from the cheap seats.
    You give misinformation that you think makes "the other guys" look bad. It kills any discussion. You are intentionally dishonest.
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    #187

    Jun 24, 2015, 08:56 AM
    You have zero proof that it wasn't part of their official campaign . Even the Washington Compost can't say that definitively .

    When Clinton was first running in 1992, his geographic background was a key advantage. Since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law, the act that hastened the South's partisan flip, four Northern Democrats and one Southern Democrat had run for the presidency. Only the Southern one, Jimmy Carter, won — and he only won once. Clinton, a Southern governor of a state whose flag still alludes to its history in the Confederacy, needed to solidify support from nearby states to have a chance at unseating George H.W. Bush. He ended up winning Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee and Georgia. A button like the one at top wouldn't necessarily have hurt.

    The politics then were less complicated than they are now. It's believable that Clinton and Gore might have had a Confederate button, though we don't know for sure that they did. What the reemergence of the buttons now shows, if nothing else, is that the history of the rebellious South continues to resonate and continues to evolve, year by year, as a component of American politics.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...itics-in-2015/
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    #188

    Jun 24, 2015, 09:03 AM
    Can't prove a negative. I posted the info that said it wasn't.
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    #189

    Jun 24, 2015, 09:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Can't prove a negative. I posted the info that said it wasn't.
    yes the compost referenced the union label too and decided it wasn't conclusive proof.
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    #190

    Jun 24, 2015, 10:22 AM
    What's the "compost"?
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    #191

    Jun 24, 2015, 10:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What's the "compost"?
    Washington Post newspaper.
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    #192

    Jun 24, 2015, 11:02 AM
    How old is Tom??
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    #193

    Jun 24, 2015, 11:03 AM
    Washington Post newspaper
    yup the very one . The compost ....that is introducing the candidacy of Bobby Jindal by questioning his authenticity of being an 'Indian '-American.

    From Piyush to Bobby: How does Jindal feel about his family’s past? - The Washington Post
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    #194

    Jun 24, 2015, 11:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    How old is Tom??
    I'll pretend you didn't ask that question, ha ha. He's over 40, as far as I know. ;-)
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    #195

    Jun 24, 2015, 11:32 AM
    Wow... and still calling people names like in high school... but only the ones who are democrats, notice the correct use of Bobby Jindal's name above.
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    #196

    Jun 24, 2015, 11:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Wow... and still calling people names like in high school... but only the ones who are democrats, notice the correct use of Bobby Jindal's name above.
    and I'm not the one that is questioning Jindal not being brown or Indian enough or how he recognizes his heritage . If the Compost publishes crap like that then all the paper deserves to be is the lining of a bird cage .
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    #197

    Jun 24, 2015, 12:04 PM
    Kind like everyone who calls Obama a muslim I guess, right?
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    #198

    Jun 24, 2015, 03:45 PM
    Nest of confederates
    Having moved the confederate flag from the capitol of South Carolina how will the US cope with this nest of confederates in Brazil

    The town in Brazil that embraces the Confederate flag - BBC News

    It doesn't matter if the flag is not freely available in the US since it is some sort of racist symbol along with that word an american dare not speak but it is freely available in Brazil. Will this spark some sort of belated confederate tourism or even reverse migration

    Hey this much more interesting than looking a Daesh videos of their use of hollywood type killing methods
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    #199

    Jun 24, 2015, 07:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Kind like everyone who calls Obama a muslim I guess, right?
    You never heard that from me. The emperor claims he's Christian and I take him at his word.
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    #200

    Jun 25, 2015, 12:13 AM
    Tom you take Obama at his word? But not the word "niger" give me a break please?

    You have successfully kept this thread from its topic do you think we might move on and get back to where we were, there are other threads which discuss US race relations


    Here we go again

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33266399

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