[paraclete]

yes meanwhile we have been developing our truth in sentencing laws ensuring we are destined to duplicate your experiment

[smoothy]

Yes... they play to legalize heroin, meth and cocaine as well as all their derivatives next. And legalize the illegals and give voting rights to everyone who shouldn't have them.

[paraclete]

giving voting rights to everyone who lives there; what a revolutionary idea! and legalising drugs, well it's just a step on the prohibition trail, first, you criminalised alcohol, and conducted a war, then you legalised it, then you criminalised drugs, need I go on....perhaps this time you will learn the lessons of history

[smoothy]

I bet Australia allows all the illigals from Malaysia and China (and everywhere else they are from) Vote there... ( sarcasm font enabled)

Incidentally... "living there" isn't the requirement to vote in almost every country in the world... being a citizen is.

Odd coming from a country and person that thinks private citizens should NOT be allowed to have guns..... but thinks legalizing drugs is a great idea.

How about opening your borders up to all those Illegals coming there....I know you aren't any happier about then doing that than most Americans are.

[Tuttyd]

I bet Australia allows all the illigals from Malaysia and China (and everywhere else they are from) Vote there... ( sarcasm font enabled)

Incidentally... "living there" isn't the requirement to vote in almost every country in the world... being a citizen is.

Odd coming from a country and person that thinks private citizens should NOT be allowed to have guns..... but thinks legalizing drugs is a great idea.

How about opening your borders up to all those Illegals coming there....I know you aren't any happier about then doing that than most Americans are.

No we don't allow this, but this does not mean that it can't happen. Compared to your electoral system our system has a low degree of fraud. This is because Federal election and controlled by a centralized process. There is a continual cross-checking of information in order to detect different types of fraud. I think it works something like the detection of taxation fraud.

There are a number of different opinions regarding illegals coming to Australia. Nonetheless, the newly elected government has adopted a tough stance of illegals.

[smoothy]

No we don't allow this, but this does not mean that it can't happen. Compared to your electoral system our system has a low degree of fraud. This is because Federal election and controlled by a centralized process. There is a continual cross-checking of information in order to detect different types of fraud. I think it works something like the detection of taxation fraud.

There are a number of different opinions regarding illegals coming to Australia. Nonetheless, the newly elected government has adopted a tough stance of illegals.

As they should...


The problem we have isn't related to the electoral system... it has to do with the democrats fighting against having to have voters be required to show proof of ID before they are allowed to vote at the polls. Which is actually regulated state by state. And they fight tooth and nail every time anyone tries to assure there is as little fraud as possible.

We don't have a problem with illegals and dead people in the Electoral college, we have it at the polls. That and the people that were being literal when they say vote early and vote often. I assume you know how our electoral colege system works.

[Tuttyd]

As they should...


THe problem we have isn't related to eh electoral system... it has to do with the democrats fighting having to have votors be required to show proof of ID before they are allowed to vote.

We don't have a problem with illegals and dead people in the Electoral college, whe have it at the polls. That and the people that were being literal when they say vote early and vote often.

Our biggest problem in elections is probably people who vote more than once. However, instant computerized recording of someone who has just voted-linked to all polling stations will solve that problem

[smoothy]

Our biggest problem in elections is probably people who vote more than once. However, instant computerized recording of someone who has just voted-linked to all polling stations will solve that problem

And something I among others believe should be implemented here as well. Who would argue against it, usless they support election fraud. THere have been a few prominent cases where people have been caught..one was an elected official, a woman from florida that voted in two states....I believe it happens a lot more often than is admitted.

[Tuttyd]

And something I among others believe should be implemented here as well. Who would argue against it, usless they support election fraud.

Yes, I agree. Electoral fraud is the attempt to under democracy at whatever level it occurs. Our electoral system is pretty good by comparison to others. However, this does not mean that we shouldn't keep monitoring and making improvements where necessary. The Federal electoral system seems to embrace such a policy.

[smoothy]

It doesn't take much fraud to destroy any sense of legitimacy in an election.

I think it played a big part in getting Obama elected. (remember ACORN).. and it certainly had a part in getting Al Frankin elected (the trunkload of "Forgotten" ballots in a Democrats trunk that SURPRISE were mostly Democrat votes), I just don't have the means to prove it. And if I did.. I don't have the power to do anything about it.

[paraclete]

I bet Australia allows all the illigals from Malaysia and China (and everywhere else they are from) Vote there... ( sarcasm font enabled)

Incidentally... "living there" isn't the requirement to vote in almost every country in the world... being a citizen is.

Odd coming from a country and person that thinks private citizens should NOT be allowed to have guns..... but thinks legalizing drugs is a great idea.

How about opening your borders up to all those Illegals coming there....I know you aren't any happier about then doing that than most Americans are.

I'm sorry smoothy, didn't I have the sarcasm font engaged. No we have that great idea that you establish your bonafides before gaining citizenship something those "asylum seekers" have difficulty in doing. By the way, the "asylum seekers come from Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, places where thare has been war, not China, Mayalasia or Indonesia. As to the gun thing, once again distance has deprived you of the facts, private citizens can own guns, they can't own assault weapons.

I think legalising drugs may change the dynamic. not that it is a great idea but one way of combatting the criminal activity associated with the drug traffic and by the way, I don't think our government will be legalising it anytime soon.

No we are not going to open our borders any more than you are going to do. In those immortal words of John Howard "we will decide who comes here and the circumstances under which they come". We are not going to repeat the free for all policies you had last century because, simply put, we don't have the ability to absorb large numbers of migrants. You have to demonstrate you can contribute and few "asylum seekers" possess that ability

[smoothy]

I actually think you are Less likely to do it than we are here.. at least for the next few years. We have incompetent boobs in charge for at least another couple years... that think they can rule by decree.

[paraclete]

There are incompetent boobs in all governments, we recently got rid of a large number of them, but they are like weeds.

Ruling by decree seems to be in fashion these days, we have a government who announces what they are going to do without the ability to get their policies into law, sound familiar? so what's a government to do?

[smoothy]

But I think our boobs are bigger than your boobs... Doesn't THAT sound so Hollywood.

[paraclete]

sounds like the words of a song actually but then everytung is bigger in Taxas

[Tuttyd]

I would like to get back to the nub of the issue. From the onset let me say that I am no fan of PP. However, my political persuasion is exactly the problem. Why? Because, it leads to the inevitability of my political views being flung to the left or the right.

As I said before, PP in all likelihood does not have a eugenics programme in place. In fact, no organization in this day and age would want to make such a claim. Any research in this area would likely turn up the fact that PP policies are actually contributing to a type of eugenics.This is completely different to saying that PP has a eugenics agenda. Once I put forward this possibility it seemed like a good chance for some to ignore, change or modify the topic.

The left wing is not prepared to consider this possibility because it would mean giving some ground to the right wing. The right wing will not consider this because it would mean giving some ground to the left wing. So what is the alternative? The alternative is simple-fling these view to the far right and far left.

Is there any particular reason why anyone can't see there is a real problem with your media? Please spare us the right wing and left wing rhetoric.

[Catsmine]

Is there any particular reason why anyone can't see there is a real problem with your media? Please spare us the right wing and left wing rhetoric.

You are absolutely correct. I don't see it as limited to "our" media; BBC vs. Sky News being an offshore example. Al-Jazeera being another (Al Jazeera Journalist Calls Out Network Bias). Many have even delved into the causes of the problem, citing '24 hour news cycle' and 'info-tainment' as the roots of the problem. The only solution available to me is multiple sources for news intake.

[talaniman]

Its easy for facts to get muddled in politics and rhetoric. Multiple sources of news is almost a must, especially when researching what's reported and said during an election cycle and finding many contradictions, and exaggerations. PP has been vilified as an abortion mill and made a target, but in shutting down and restricting the abortions part, which is not its major service, you also shut down many other services like referrals for disease and treatments like breast cancer that a poorer population has need of.

Especially given the southern states that have the population of the most need and the weakest safety net and not coincidently the most uninsured. Forget the headlines and rhetoric, it's the data that sheds the most light, as filtered as it is sometimes.

[smoothy]

And that "DATA"... more and more is subject to critisizm as more and more BS gets posted on the internet and other sources that is unproven and ungrounded. CBS got caught red handed with RatherGate where they fabricated "evidence" to support the story they wanted to push. How many more have not been found out.....the truth is lots more.

THe media is biased and corrupt everywhere... and as bad as I've seen it here... its even worse in Europe. As I've actually lived there and know that to be a fact... I have no reason to believe its any different anywhere else. Or seen proof that its NOT the same everywhere else.

[paraclete]

Muddled facts could there be anything more muddled than PP. Given the rate of abortion I think the idea has failed unless you think that is more of a plan than an afterthought