[tomder55]

Meanwhile, the US and BP rejected some serious help.

U.S. and BP slow to accept Dutch expertise

God forbid we should accept help from one of our allies !

[paraclete]

Meanwhile, the US and BP rejected some serious help.

U.S. and BP slow to accept Dutch expertise

Looks like this is one case where the US has protected itsself into a black hole

[magprob]

What will we do about it? At this point in time, nothing — no stopping of the oil flow, no amount of attempted cleaning up, no amount of apologizing, paying for the damage, or promises to behave better in the future — will fix the problem that has been created by greedy men who apparently have so little regard for the lives of others that they are willing to kill everything on Earth for a few shekels, for a few bars of gold.

The current oil disaster will spread around the world in a mere two to three years, first killing all life in all the oceans, then all the birds who fly through the air, and lastly, all the humans on this planet.

There will be no recovery from this disaster. You won’t be able to hide anywhere. There is nowhere you will be able to survive. The Earth is now a poisoned planet, wrecked by the hands of greedy men, destroying all life. At best, if you live far away from where the oil is now doing its deadly work, you may have a decade or two remaining. But what is CERTAIN is that once the oil has circulated around the world, at some point the air will turn sour, become unbreathable, and every lifeform on the surface of this planet will perish.

This is not macabre fiction or pathological prophecy. It is certain, according to existing science. It’s obvious. When the fish and birds are gone, so are we.

[paraclete]

This is not macabre fiction or pathological prophecy. It is certain, according to existing science. It’s obvious. When the fish and birds are gone, so are we.

So apocalypse now! Let's face it that well can only be so big. We don't know how big it is but how much oil can it contain? Enough to create a toxic lake in the Gulf of Mexico? I suspect that might be possible, but enough to create a toxic lake of all the oceans of the world? Let's not get carried away, even God has told us a third of the fish will die, not all of them.

[tomder55]

Oil in the seas is not a new phenomenon . Satellite imaging showed this week that another rig has been leaking in the gulf since 2004 . If the impact was as dire as you make it out to be ,it would've been detected .

Taylor Gulf Wells Leaking 6 Years After Hurricane (Update1) - BusinessWeek

The earth is good at healing itself . Oil in the ocean disperses and is food for microbial life as studies of the natual seepage off Santa Clara reveals .
Natural Oil 'Spills': Surprising Amount Seeps into the Sea | LiveScience
Here is an account in Scientific American about gulf oil.

Natural Oil Spills; November 1998; Scientific American Magazine; by MacDonald; 6 Page(s)

Beneath the Gulf of Mexico, to the south of Texas and Louisiana, tiny bubbles of oil and natural gas trickle upward through faulted marine sediments. Close to the seafloor, these hydrocarbons ooze past a final layer teeming with exotic deep-sea life before they seep into the ocean above. Buoyant, they rise through the water in tight, curving plumes, eventually reaching the surface. There the gas merges with the atmosphere, and the oil drifts downwind, evaporating, mixing with water and finally dispersing.

The best time to witness such a natural "oil spill" is in summer, when the Gulf stays flat calm for days at a time. In the middle of the afternoon, with the full heat of the tropical sun blazing off the sea, one can stand on the deck of a ship and watch broad ribbons of oil stretch toward the horizon. Cruising upwind along one of these slicks, one will notice that the sea takes on an unusual smoothness. The clarity of the water seems to increase, and the glare of the sun off the surface intensifies. Flying fish break from the bow waves and plunge into the water again almost without making a splash. Presently, the scent of fresh petroleum becomes evident--an odor that is quite distinct from the diesel fumes wafting from the ship--and one sees waxy patches floating on the water or clinging to the hull.

The Deepwater blowout will eventually be capped ;the local environment cleaned up . My greater concern is the human impact at the local level . What will make their lives more difficult would be if they lost the petroleum industry also .

[speechlesstx]

We're all doomed, doomed I tell you! BP has killed us all for filthy lucre!

[J_9]

Enough to create a toxic lake in the Gulf of Mexico? I suspect that might be possible, but enough to create a toxic lake of all the oceans of the world? let's not get carried away,

Let us not forget that the hurricane season is on the horizon.

[excon]

This is not macabre fiction or pathological prophecy. It is certain, according to existing science. It's obvious. When the fish and birds are gone, so are we.

Hello again,

Magprob and I have NEVER agreed on anything - but we agree on this.

excon

[Catsmine]

The current oil disaster will spread around the world in a mere two to three years, first killing all life in all the oceans, then all the birds who fly through the air, and lastly, all the humans on this planet.

So we should each go out to the garage, close the doors, start the car and use up the harvested petroleum by going to sleep? Have fun with that.

[NeedKarma]

So we should each go out to the garage, close the doors, start the car and use up the harvested petroleum by going to sleep?

Just wondering, how did you arrive at that conclusion from the text you quoted?

[Catsmine]

Just wondering, how did you arrive at that conclusion from the text you quoted?

The general tone of the entire post was suicidal. I quoted the relevant doomsaying.

[jpbuzzworthy]

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter who is in office. People are going to complain and find fault.

Oh yes, and all the worlds problems aren't going to change either, regardless of who is in office. I really don't think any American president has really ever changed the world, so what's the point of arguing about the Presidency?

[NeedKarma]

The general tone of the entire post was suicidal. I quoted the relevant doomsaying.

Ah I see. I don't see a suicidal tone at all, I guess that's why I was confused.

[jpbuzzworthy]

He actually did say that I have to say...

The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.

Obama's Nomination Victory Speech In St. Paul June 3, 2008.



NOTE: my posting this in no way affiliates me with Obama or is an indication that I agree or disagree with either Obama OR any poster in this thread.

[Catsmine]

... At this point in time, nothing — no stopping of the oil flow, no amount of attempted cleaning up, no amount of apologizing, paying for the damage, or promises to behave better in the future — will fix the problem...

they are willing to kill everything on Earth for a few shekels, for a few bars of gold.

The current oil disaster will spread around the world in a mere two to three years, first killing all life in all the oceans, then all the birds who fly through the air, and lastly, all the humans on this planet.

There will be no recovery from this disaster.

You won’t be able to hide anywhere.

There is nowhere you will be able to survive.

The Earth is now a poisoned planet, wrecked by the hands of greedy men, destroying all life. At best, if you live far away from where the oil is now doing its deadly work, you may have a decade or two remaining. But what is CERTAIN is that once the oil has circulated around the world, at some point the air will turn sour, become unbreathable, and every lifeform on the surface of this planet will perish.

... When the fish and birds are gone, so are we.

You're right NK. This is all sweetness and light.

[cdad]

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter who is in office. People are going to complain and find fault.

Oh yes, and all the worlds problems aren't going to change either, regardless of who is in office. I really don't think any American president has really ever changed the world, so what's the point of arguing about the Presidency?

Actually I believe that 3 of them have so far.

Kennedy ( in standing down the russians during the cuban missile crisis.)

Nixon ( for opening China good or bad to the world)

Reagan ( for bringing down the old guard in Russia and ushering in a new order to things )

[speechlesstx]

He actually did say that I have to say....

The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility.

Yeah, but Captain Kicka$$ has all that complicated stuff under control...

[NeedKarma]

You're right NK. This is all sweetness and light.

Do you the difference between suicide and dying at the hands of something/someone else?

[NeedKarma]

Captain Kicka$$

Those autotune videos are awesome, you should see all their others.

[Hone Heke]

I just wanted to say how awesome this whole "self regulatory" thing has worked out for me. Cheers!