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    #181

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:06 AM
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    #182

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by bushg
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    The sign of a defeat, I see!!

    :D :D :D :D :D
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    #183

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:25 AM
    Neither have I ever claimed that there is 100% evidence supporting the origin of the universe etc. I always mention that there is major support for that Theory.
    AAAHA! So you know and admit there is no factual evidence for evolution and the big bang but you BELIEVE it?. lol

    So you are demading believers to provide factual evidence for our beliefs and yet you have just admitted that there is no factual evidence for yours... what a double standard that is credo. Tut tut tut

    So your belief is based on FAITH not Facts but you are in denial.


    When are you going to admit that you BELIEVE in the Big Bang? :rolleyes:
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    #184

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:33 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sassyT
    AAAHA! So you know and admit there is no factual evidence for evolution and the big bang but you BELIEVE it?
    I never claimed 100% evidence for either. NEVER. I have always stated that reservation.

    All you do now by this type of statements is making yourself into a non-reliable and dishonest debater. You know you lost the argument. You know you can not provide objective supported evidence for the existence of god or for god being the creator.
    And you know that at best all you can do is BELIEVE that god exists and that he is the creator...

    :rolleyes:
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    #185

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    The sign of a defeat, I see !!!

    Its not a sign of defeat, I think he is just expressing the same frustration the rest of us feel. We have been waiting patiently for your so called evidence and our patience was running out but I guess you have finally admitted that there is no factual evidence for your claims so we can all move on now. :)
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    #186

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sassyT
    We have been waiting patiently for your so called evidence
    Funny that you say that. But I asked you theists first for your support for your own claims, very early in my own question.
    And I told you where my support for evolution etc. is based on. Basic objective supported evidence that is available everywhere.

    However : Whenever I ask for YOUR objective supported evidence for what you claim, I never get a proper and clear reply.

    I do not wonder why that is. I know why that is. You do not have any objective supported evidence for god's existence and for god being the creator.

    All you do is BELIEVE in that...

    :rolleyes:
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    #187

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:46 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    I never claimed 100% evidence for either. [B]NEVER I have always stated that reservation.
    So if you never claimed 100% evidence then why are you demanding that we theist give you 100% evidence for our beliefs.

    You know you can not provide objective supported evidence for the existence of god or for god being the creator.
    I have given you one out of hundreds of objective evidence and you convieniently refused to acknowledge it and hold fast to your belief that there is no objective evidence when in reality it's there. Just because you irrationaly refuse to acknowledge it, does not mean it is not there.

    And you know that at best all you can do is BELIEVE that god exists and that he is the creator...
    And at least now you know that at best all you can do is BELIEVE that a magical big bang created the universe. ;)
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    #188

    Jun 19, 2008, 08:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sassyT
    So if you never claimed 100% evidence then why are you demanding that we theist give you 100% evidence for our beliefs.
    I never asked anybody for 100% evidence for his/her religious beliefs.
    I asked you all to support your religious beliefs with objective supporting evidence, or clearly state that what you state / claim is based on what you BELIEVE ! Nothing more.

    The most important religious issue is of course the deity : where/what is the objective supporting evidence for the existence of "god", for "god" being the creator, and for "god" being part of the trinity ?

    Now : can you (are you willing and capable) of answering that ? If you can : why don't you do that?

    :rolleyes:
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    #189

    Jun 19, 2008, 09:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    I never asked anybody for 100% evidence for his/her religious beliefs.
    I asked you all to support your religious beliefs with objective supporting evidence, or clearly state that what you state / claim is based on what you BELIEVE ! Nothing more.

    The most important religious issue is of course the deity : where/what is the objective supporting evidence for the existence of "god", for "god" being the creator, and for "god" being part of the trinity ?

    Now : can you (are you willing and capable) of answering that ? If you can : why don't you do that?
    Please Give supporting objective evidence for your claims first before damanding them from us.
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    #190

    Jun 19, 2008, 09:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sassyT
    please Give supporting objective evidence for your claims first before damanding them from us.
    I do not demand your evidence. You may believe whatever you want to believe.
    All I say (and said before) is that whatever you believe you have to prove with objective supporting evidence BEFORE you can claim that whatever you believe is the "one and only truth".

    You BELIEVE that god exist. Fine!
    You BELIEVE that god is the creator. Fine!

    But once you claim that to be the "truth", you have to provide objective supported evidence for that claim.

    Don't you actually ever read what I state ? I start doubting that seriously...

    :rolleyes:
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    #191

    Jun 19, 2008, 09:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    I do not demand your evidence. You may believe whatever you want to believe.
    All I say (and said before) is that whatever you believe you have to prove with objective supporting evidence BEFORE you can claim that whatever you believe is the "one and only truth".

    You BELIEVE that god exist. Fine!
    You BELIEVE that god is the creator. Fine!

    But once you claim that to be the "truth", you have to provide objective supported evidence for that claim.

    Don't you actually ever read what I state ? I start doubting that seriously ...
    You BELIEVE there is no God. Fine!
    You BELIEVE a BIG BANG created the Universe. Fine!

    So what's your problem?. lol You have beliefs and I have beliefs too. I can not prove my beliefs as 100% fact & FYI niether can YOU When did I ever claim my beliefs were 100% facts? If you are going to claim I said my beliefs are facts prove it by posting the post # of where I said it. There you go again making empty unsupported claims.
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    #192

    Jun 19, 2008, 10:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sassyT
    You BELIEVE there is no God. Fine!
    You BELIEVE a BIG BANG created the Universe. Fine!
    More incorrect statements :
    I do not believe that there is no god. There is no OBJECTIVE supporting evidence for god to exist.
    I do not believe that there was a "Big Bang". There is a load of objective supporting evidence for the "Big Bang" to have occurred.

    You clearly do not know the difference between objective and subjective, and you do not know the difference between belief and evidence.

    :rolleyes:
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    #193

    Jun 19, 2008, 10:16 AM
    Hey I just thought of something...

    Did you guys/gals know that generic and name brand milk are produced and bottled in the SAME building by the SAME manufacturer?

    Isn't that crazy how two things that are basically identical have two totally different labels and you pay two totally different prices to get the SAME result... ;)
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    #194

    Jun 19, 2008, 10:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by achampio21
    Hey I just thought of something... Did you guys/gals know that generic and name brand milk are produced and bottled in the SAME building by the SAME manufacturer? Isn't that crazy how two things that are basically identical have two totally different labels and you pay two totally different prices to get the SAME end result...;)
    You mean where that one product is real milk, and that other product which they believe to be milk ?

    LOL

    :rolleyes:
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    #195

    Jun 19, 2008, 10:22 AM
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    QUOTE=Credendovidis]More incorrect statements :
    I do not believe that there is no god...
    So you believe there is one? Make up your mind :confused:


    I do not believe that there was a "Big Bang". There is a load of objective supporting evidence for the "Big Bang" to have occurred
    The big bang theory is not a fact, but you believe it happened. There is no conclusive evidence that it happened but you believe it anyway. So you have faith in it.

    You clearly do not know the difference between objective and subjective, and you do not know the difference between belief and evidence.
    What you fail to understand is the fact that if you believe something is true despite a lack of evidence to prove it fact, means you BELIEVE
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    Jun 19, 2008, 10:41 AM
    Well, actually the milk that is in BOTH containers is from the same cows so BOTH milk's are real and the SAME milk. It's just that the manufacturer doubles it's money by appealing to two different classes of people.

    I think I'm the only one that gets it. :o

    But that is okay, just trying to be funny once more in a seriously serious conversation!! :D
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    #197

    Jun 19, 2008, 01:45 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    #102 was my post , not yours , so no : I did not see your #102 post ! In fact nobody did ...

    :rolleyes:

    Apparently you can not see the evidence, because you don't know how to count?

    Check #102 if you dare. ;)
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    #198

    Jun 19, 2008, 01:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    sassy, you can't even provide facts for the existence of gravity. It certainly is looking like you will deny anything offered as facts. In your world there are absolutely nothing that is construed as objective evidence so why are you asking for it?


    Gravity, hmmmm, okay NK... try walking off the top of a building... NO NO... just kidding :D
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    #199

    Jun 19, 2008, 01:50 PM
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ml#post1094786
    This is post #102
    .
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    #200

    Jun 19, 2008, 01:52 PM
    Thanks Firm, I have not been able to figure out haow to do that yet. :)
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