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    #181

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Its from the Quran.
    Im sure you can read it,
    Nope I cant, but one thing for sure, you paste it in many places and pretend it means several things, LIAR

    LOL

    Keep on lying, soon your own friends won't trust you and you will run from your own shadows because they will chew you for every word you made up and spit you out in the streets where you will beg to eat like many before you who even the poor have doubt about, And when a muslim, jew or christian walks by they will give you a nickel and tell you they do not even want your thanks, because it is for God just to remind you it is there duty and yours to give ZAKAT.

    LOL

    Would you like to re post your propaganda again :) FLAMER

    The Isralian flag and the American flag (mirrored) with the yellow border around it are on the left side. This stands for the relationship between US and Israel, the mirrored flag with yellow border where shown sticked on the jackets of the 101St Airborne who fighted in the war on Iraq.

    On the right site you see the American flag and the United Nations flag which speaks for it self.

    On the top of all that there is the Eagle symbol which was used by the Great Roman Empire. This symbolises the New World Order which is being established as we speak.

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    To begin with, the Bilderberg group was founded by Prins Bernhard from the Netherlands who married Queen Juliana of The Netherlands in 1939. The goal of the Bilderbergers was/is to keep up the relation between Europe and America. Bernhard him self has been a member of the NSDAP founded in 1920 (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / German National Socialist Workers Party) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) founded in 1929 by Heinrich Himmler while Hitler was in power.


    If your not one of them, you better move to mecca,
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    #182

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:37 PM
    Do you have some kind of problem with the source?
    http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp

    what is Tafsir Ibn Kathir
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    #183

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Do you have some kind of problem with the source?
    http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp

    what is Tafsir Ibn Kathir
    Nope, the links yo gave have nothing to do with your posts above. LOL

    And they also have nothing to do with the actual Koran, which is what this topic is :) Are you going to stoop even lower now Satan?

    How are your friends below?
    The Isralian flag and the American flag (mirrored) with the yellow border around it are on the left side. This stands for the relationship between US and Israel, the mirrored flag with yellow border where shown sticked on the jackets of the 101St Airborne who fighted in the war on Iraq.

    On the right site you see the American flag and the United Nations flag which speaks for it self.

    On the top of all that there is the Eagle symbol which was used by the Great Roman Empire. This symbolises the New World Order which is being established as we speak.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    To begin with, the Bilderberg group was founded by Prins Bernhard from the Netherlands who married Queen Juliana of The Netherlands in 1939. The goal of the Bilderbergers was/is to keep up the relation between Europe and America. Bernhard him self has been a member of the NSDAP founded in 1920 (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / German National Socialist Workers Party) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) founded in 1929 by Heinrich Himmler while Hitler was in power.


    If your not one of them, you better move to mecca,
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    #184

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:49 PM
    You know you are an idiot don't you?
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    #185

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    You know you are an idiot dont you?
    LOL
    I have been honest about this, now we know you're the problem and not muslims, you keep lying, so strange how far you go as a coward LOL


    You owe it to yourself to at least admit who the idiot is now and change. :D
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    #186

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:54 PM
    2.191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harām (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    2.192. But if they cease, then Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5008

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

    No nothing to do with the Quean nothing to do with islam ,
    You are simply unqualified to comment on Islam.
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    #187

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:57 PM
    In broad strokes
    Tafsir
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    A tafsir ( (Arabic: تفسير )tafsīr, also transliterated tafseer, Arabic "explanation") is Qur'anic exegesis or commentary. Someone who writes tafsir is a mufassir ( (Arabic: مفسر ) mufassir, plural (Arabic: مفسرين ) mufassirīn).
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    * 1 Sources of Tafsir
    * 2 Genres of Tafsir
    * 3 Prohibited Tafsir
    * 4 Major Mufassireen
    * 5 Modernist Mufassireen
    * 6 Tafsir in other languages
    * 7 External links

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    Sources of Tafsir

    The five sources for commentary of the Qur'an are:

    1. The Qur'an. This is the highest form of tafsir, because the Qu'ran explains itself.
    2. The Hadith. Muslims believe that the Muhammad was sent to explain and clarify the Qur'an to people. The books of the Hadith contain much tafsir of the Qur'an, under titles such as "Meaning of Qur'anic verses". This is the second highest form of tafsir, because the Islamic prophet is explaining it.
    3. The reports of the Sahaba. The Sahaba, or companions of Muhammad, knew Muhammad would have better insight into the Qur'an. If there is a consensus of the companions on a certain verse, then that consensus is followed. If there is no consensus, scholars interpret the verse using set principles.
    4. The reports of those who learned from the companions. These people grew up in an environment with people who had known the Prophet, so their insight is the next in line of the sources of tafsir.
    5. Reason. The use of reason (deductive logic and evaluation of arguments) is the final method of understanding the Qur'an.

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    Genres of Tafsir

    * Asbāb al-nuzūl: defining the "occasions of revelation" of the suras.
    * Naskh: dealing with the abrogation of one Qur'anic verse by another.

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    Prohibited Tafsir

    It is prohibited to perform Qur'anic tafsir using solely one's own opinion. This is based on the authenticated hadith of Muhammad which states it is prohibited.
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    Major Mufassireen

    Major Tafsirs of the Qur'an include:

    * Ibn Kathir: "Tafsir ibn Kathir" - A classic tafsir, considered a summary of the earlier Tafseer by Ibn Jarir (at-Tabari). It is especially popular because it uses 'hadith' to explain each verse and chapter of the Qur'an.
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    #188

    Nov 13, 2005, 05:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    2.191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harām (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    2.192. But if they cease, then Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5008

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

    No nothing to do with the Quean nothing to do with islam ,
    You are simply unqualified to comment on Islam.
    Muslims stick to God's Comandments from the Bible, and Genocide has never been carried out by islam ever. no proof of it once so ever, fighting evil unil they surenders is all it states.

    You lied, your practice hypocrisy, polythiesm, maybe you recent religion because your gay but you sure are the enemy o God in the Bible and Koran.
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    #189

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:00 PM
    Ibn Kathir
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    Ibn Kathir (Arabic : بن كثير ) was an Islamic scholar born in Busra, Syria in 1301 CE. He was taught by the Islamic scholar Ibn Taymiyya in Damascus, Syria and Ibn al-Qayyim. Ibn Kathir wrote a famous commentary of the Qur'an named Tafsir Ibn Kathir which linked certain Hadith, or sayings of Muhammad, and sayings of the Sahaba (companions of Muhammad) to verses of the Qur'an, in explanation. Tafsir Ibn Kathir is famous all over the Islamic world and among Muslims in the Western world, and is one of the most widely used explanations of the Qu'ran today.

    Ibn Kathir was renowned for his great memory regarding the sayings of Muhammad and the entire Qur'an. Ibn Kathir is known as a qadi, a master scholar of Hadith, and a mufassir or Qur'an commentator. Some regard Ibn Kathir as a precursor to the contemporary Salafi or Wahhabi school of law, but Ibn Kathir saw himself as a Shafi scholar. This is indicated by two of his books, one of which was Tabaqaat ah-Shafai'ah, or The Categories of the Followers of Imam Shafi.

    Other books written by Ibn Kathir include Signs Before the Day of Judgement and The Birthday of the Prophet which supports arguments as to the legality of celebrating Muhammad's birthday (seen as a reprehensible innovation or bid'a by some Muslims), and Biographies of the Prophets.

    Ibn Kathir became blind just before his death. When Ibn Kathir died he was buried beside his teacher Ibn Taymiyya in the Sufi Cemetery of Damascus, Syria in 1372 CE.
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    #190

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:05 PM
    Your statements do not carry the weight you wish them to nor the historical accuracy Your rank and file person who has graduated from high school may not be able to document the unending imperial islamic jihad since the massacre of the Banu Qurayza But I can inclkuding the 80 million hindus
    I like the sound of Muslim kush.
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    #191

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:06 PM
    Here is a lesson in what I understand of arabic.
    Islam (do God's will)
    Zakat (donation to the poor),
    Kafir (disbeliever)
    Muslims (people who do God's will, keep the comandments) and
    Shirk (a PAGAN)

    Replace the words you have and you might get a climpse of truth to where you stand in all this.
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    #192

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Your statments do not carry the weight you wish them to nor the historical accuracy Your rank and file person who has graduated from highschool may not be able to document the unending imperial islamic jihad since the massacre of the Banu Qurayza But I can inclkuding the 80 million hindus
    I like the sound of Muslim kush.
    And your just like the people you hate that you hope to find, so you can blame them for the rotting of your soul from lying.


    LOL, and by the way, let me know if you see any flying carpets too. you seem to have a vivid imagination about your fears now, its catching up.
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    #193

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:13 PM
    .191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harām (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    2.192. But if they cease, then Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5008

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

    No nothing to do with the Quean nothing to do with islam ,
    You are simply unqualified to comment on Islam.
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''
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    #194

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    You trust him?
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    #195

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:17 PM
    You read aribic

    قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئاً إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِى الاٌّرْضِ جَمِيعا

    وَللَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآء
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    #196

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by G4-450
    You trust him?
    Nope he's an
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    #197

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    You read aribic

    ???? ????? ???????? ???? ??????? ??????? ???? ??????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ????????? ????? ??? ????????? ???????

    ???????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ???????? ??? ??????
    Nope I don't, sorry

    Do you?

    I can read greek and a little hebrew in the bible though, and Jihad is there too.
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    #198

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:20 PM
    Are you an expert on islamic scripture?
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    #199

    Nov 13, 2005, 06:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Are you an expert on islamic scripture?
    You sure isn't a expert if no one is

    especially when you refute GOD's commandments in both the koran and Bible because your guilty of sin according to both books, and you know it.
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    Nov 13, 2005, 06:29 PM
    The Polytheism and Disbelief of the Christians

    Allah states that the Christians are disbelievers because of their claim that `Isa, son of Maryam, one of Allah's servants and creatures, is Allah. Allah is holier than what they attribute to Him. Allah then reminds them of His perfect ability over everything and that everything is under His complete control and power,

    [قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئاً إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِى الاٌّرْضِ جَمِيعاً]

    (Say: "Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam, his mother, and all those who are on the earth together") Therefore, if Allah wills to do that, who would be able to stop Him or prevent Him from doing it Allah then said,

    [وَللَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ]

    (And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills.) All things in existence are Allah's property and creation and He is able to do everything. He is never asked about what He does with His power, domain, justice and greatness so this refutes the Christian creed, may Allah's continued curses be upon them until the Day of Resurrection.

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