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    #61

    May 27, 2022, 10:20 AM
    I decided, in the interest of kindness, not to comment on your claim to be "psychotic". Perhaps you meant to say "psychic"?
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    #62

    May 27, 2022, 10:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I decided, in the interest of kindness, not to comment on your claim to be "psychotic". Perhaps you meant to say "psychic"?
    I was trying to make you burst out laughing and spit out your mouthful of coffee.
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    #63

    May 27, 2022, 10:24 AM
    Meanie!! (<:
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    #65

    May 30, 2022, 05:04 AM
    The push for abortions has been a progressive obsession for more than a century based on their racist eugenics beliefs . Here are but some examples that this is true .

    RBG wanted to cull the minority population. She was a closet eugenicist. It is why she supported Roe.Her comment in this Slimes interview is all the proof you need.

    Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.
    (Ruth Bader Ginsberg )

    The Place of Women on the Court - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    It makes no sense as a national policy to promote birth only among poor people.

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg: I'm Not Going Anywhere (elle.com)

    This of course has been a well known progressive idea . Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wanted to sterilize imbeciles to purify the human species of defects .He wrote the majority opinion in the infamous Buck v Bell ruling that permitted it .
    "It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
    BUCK v. BELL, Superintendent of State Colony Epileptics and Feeble Minded. | Supreme Court | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)


    Co council in the Roe case, Ron Weddington wrote a letter to Bubba 1992 in support of the abortion pill by arguing that Bubba" can start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country”..."We lost a lot of ground during the Reagan-Bush religious orgy.We don’t have a lot of time left.” He argued “Our survival depends upon our developing a population where everyone contributes,” Weddington wrote. “We don’t need more cannon fodder. We don’t need more parishioners. We don’t need more cheap labor. We don’t need more poor babies.” Weddington said, the government will not only have to provide condoms and other forms of birth control, but it “is also going to have to provide vasectomies, tubal ligations and abortions ... RU 486 and conventional abortions.”
    (complete letter is Tab F of this Judicial Watch report )jw-ru486-report.pdf (judicialwatch.org)
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    May 30, 2022, 05:08 AM
    The clinic I stand in front of about every week has a clientele that is, I would estimate, 80 to 90% black. If conservatives were running it, they would be accused of racism.
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    #67

    May 30, 2022, 08:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The clinic I stand in front of about every week has a clientele that is, I would estimate, 80 to 90% black. If conservatives were running it, they would be accused of racism.
    Do you ever ask clients or staff why are abortion wanted? If so, what are the reasons?
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    #68

    May 30, 2022, 09:41 AM
    We are not allowed to enter the parking lot and great measures are taken to keep them away from us. The clinic workers fear the truth. There is money to be made.
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    #69

    Jun 24, 2022, 07:51 AM
    About fifty years too late, but justice is finally beginning to take place. Thank you Mr. Trump for your SCOTUS appointees who genuinely believe in the rule of law rather than just making it up as you go along.
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    #70

    Jun 24, 2022, 08:45 AM
    If one of your granddaughters, JL or tomder, is raped and ends up pregnant, she will keep the baby.
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    Jun 24, 2022, 09:47 AM
    Yes, she will. She will do the right thing, thank God. It is certainly far preferred to having a living human being, innocent and defenseless, destroyed right before her eyes.
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    #72

    Jun 24, 2022, 09:55 AM
    She will keep it, raise it, despite remembering the pain and seeing her rapist's face every time she looks at the baby.

    The SC decision has nothing to do with babies and has everything to do with taking away women's rights.
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    Jun 24, 2022, 10:02 AM
    You are speculating again. There are many women who chose to keep their babies, the products of rape, and testify that it was a gloriously wonderful decision that they are happy they made. Doing the right thing is sometimes painful. "For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

    One example. You won't listen to it lest it disturb your preconceived notions, but it's there if you have the courage. Her testimony was, "I've never looked at him (her child) and seen anything but him."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6KCx2qSFw

    You prefer killing the innocent baby while I would prefer executing the rapist.
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    Jun 24, 2022, 10:11 AM
    We're going to find out now, almost certainly by this evening, how wonderfully tolerant and peace-loving the advocates of killing unborn babies are.
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    #75

    Jun 24, 2022, 10:32 AM
    Good thing they can carry guns legally.
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    #76

    Jun 24, 2022, 10:39 AM
    That's not what the SCOTUS decision referred to.
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    #77

    Jun 24, 2022, 10:50 AM
    Ok I'll answer to the rarest of possibilities (Maybe 1% of pregnancies are rape related )


    I have no idea what my daughter or granddaughter would do. My daughter knows that fixing a wrong with a wrong is wrong. The rapist is wrong . The woman raped is a victim .So is the baby created .

    The woman raped would be a victim entitled to all support legal ,medical ,psychological and spiritual .But in a judicial system that does not punish a rapist with death it is a cruel irony that one of the victims is subject to the death penalty .

    The woman raped of course would have the moral right to prevent a pregnancy in the case of rape . Antifertility drugs are very effective within 72 hrs of the attack.

    But if a pregnancy did occur then the life of the baby is precious regardless of how it was conceived.
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    Jun 24, 2022, 11:00 AM
    .But in a judicial system that does not punish a rapist with death it is a cruel irony that one of the victims is subject to the death penalty .
    Exactly correct.
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    #79

    Jun 24, 2022, 02:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    But if a pregnancy did occur then the life of the baby is precious regardless of how it was conceived.
    But not to the raped woman.
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    Jun 24, 2022, 02:05 PM
    For a country that holds its Rights and Freedoms dearly, this action, and subsequent State mandates, utterly beggars belief...
    Welcome back to the Sixties where women are treated as merely second class chattels....

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