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Wondergirl · Dec 17, 2020, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So you want me to go show myself to an OT priest?

OT priest? What does that have to do with Matthew 6:4?

jlisenbe · Dec 17, 2020, 02:00 PM

Whoops. I read it as 8:4. My apologies. So if you believe what you read in 6:4, why have you announced on several occasions what your charitable endeavors have been??

How do you square your interpretation of 6:4 with what is said in 5:16?

Wondergirl · Dec 17, 2020, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Whoops. I read it as 8:4. My apologies. So if you believe what you read in 6:4, why have you announced on several occasions what your charitable endeavors have been??

Whatever I admitted to was to shut you up and stop your hassling.

How do you square your interpretation of 6:4 with what is said in 5:16?

My shining light is not my charitable endeavors.

jlisenbe · Dec 17, 2020, 02:54 PM

Whatever I admitted to was to shut you up and stop your hassling.

Why is it that with you guys it is always someone else's fault? Can't you handle any responsibility at all? Anytime you want to "shut me up", all you have to do is ask me not to respond to your posts, and I will oblige. I would only ask that you not mention me in your posts, nor comment on posts that I am active in, and that will be fine.

My shining light is not my charitable endeavors.

Maybe not for you, but for the 5:16 verse, the light shining is our good works that men should see. It is very plain. "16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." Jesus typically didn't take people out behind the house to heal them.

Now I'm not suggesting that we should go around bragging about what we do. You are correct in that. I don't really think you have done that, and I'm very sure I have not. But in a discussion of charity, I don't see a problem with a person using some of their own efforts as examples so long as it doesn't end up being prideful.

paraclete · Dec 17, 2020, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Whatever I admitted to was to shut you up and stop your hassling.

You can never get an ego maniac or a bore to shut up, but what hurts them is to ignore them

Wondergirl · Dec 17, 2020, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Why is it that with you guys it is always someone else's fault? Can't you handle any responsibility at all? Anytime you want to "shut me up", all you have to do is ask me not to respond to your posts, and I will oblige. I would only ask that you not mention me in your posts, nor comment on posts that I am active in, and that will be fine.

Stop hassling, participate in honest and fruitful discussions, and all will be Christmassy!

Maybe not for you, but for the 5:16 verse, the light shining is our good works that men should see. It is very plain. "16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." Jesus typically didn't take people out behind the house to heal them.

Good works don't necessarily include money.

talaniman · Dec 17, 2020, 04:07 PM

@JL...who else?

I don't think WG has blamed anyone, or expressed anyone else's fault, but rather pushing back against your dismissive personal attacks which is always your MO when YOU want to assign blame and fault in the positions of others. A tactic the dufus uses well to bully people and it's fascinating to watch you channel your inner dufus to promote yourself and and your half baked lunatic ideas, and passive aggressive B....LS....T.

Personally I never want you to shut up because the importance of us knowing your ilk exists is a perfect warning that we cannot be complacent and allow you to run buck wild through this forum unchecked and unchallenged.

jlisenbe · Dec 17, 2020, 04:43 PM

participate in honest and fruitful discussions,

Honest and fruitful? Hello, Ms. Pot, as can be seen by this. "Good works don't necessarily include money." Yeah. Giving a poor person money certainly could not be called a " good work". Really?

I don't think WG has blamed anyone, or expressed anyone else's fault, but rather pushing back against your dismissive personal attacks which is always your MO when YOU want to assign blame and fault in the positions of others. A tactic the dufus uses well to bully people and it's fascinating to watch you channel your inner dufus to promote yourself and and your half baked lunatic ideas, and passive aggressive B....LS....T.

As I have said a million times, if you ever see me do those things, then by all means speak up, but these useless, pointless references accomplish nothing. BTW, is your paragraph a good example of a "dismissive personal attack"??? How about the paragraph below. Is that a dismissive, personal attack? And if it is, and it is, then why is it OK for you to do it, but not OK for me to do it?

Personally I never want you to shut up because the importance of us knowing your ilk exists is a perfect warning that we cannot be complacent and allow you to run buck wild through this forum unchecked and unchallenged.

And more ranting. Get specific about something. If you want to challenge me, then find something specific and fire away. You have done it many times in the past, so I know you can, but these useless tirades are tiresome.

Wondergirl · Dec 17, 2020, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Honest and fruitful? Hello, Ms. Pot, as can be seen by this. "Good works don't necessarily include money." Yeah. Giving a poor person money certainly could not be called a " good work". Really?

Yes, really. A good work can be something as simple as smiling at someone who needs a lift at that moment.

talaniman · Dec 17, 2020, 05:06 PM

I chunk my rocks my way, you chunk yours your way.

jlisenbe · Dec 17, 2020, 05:17 PM

Yes, really. A good work can be something as simple as smiling at someone who needs a lift at that moment.

If you really want to have an "honest and fruitful" discussion, then this needs to stop. You know full well that we are not talking about smiling at people. The question was the command in Mt. 5:16 to let our good works be seen by men, but to do it in such a way as to bring glory to God and not to us. Can we agree on that?

Wondergirl · Dec 17, 2020, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If you really want to have an "honest and fruitful" discussion, then this needs to stop. You know full well that we are not talking about smiling at people. The question was the command in Mt. 5:16 to let our good works be seen by men, but to do it in such a way as to bring glory to God and not to us. Can we agree on that?

Good works involve only money?

paraclete · Dec 17, 2020, 05:24 PM

Those with money think it is so, but they are loth to follow the example given by Jesus to the rich young ruler

jlisenbe · Dec 17, 2020, 05:53 PM

Good works involve only money?

Just about what I expected.

Wondergirl · Dec 17, 2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Just about what I expected.

Good works involve only money?

talaniman · Dec 28, 2020, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Good works involve only money?

Ask Walmart or Amazon...or JL's favorite charity.

paraclete · Dec 28, 2020, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Ask Walmart or Amazon...or JL's favorite charity.

what was jl's favourite charity again, yes it was jl

jlisenbe · Dec 29, 2020, 05:18 AM

what was jl's favourite charity again, yes it was jl

You keep forgetting that I seem to be the only here who actually believes in personal charity. You liberal dems love to brag about how you get the gov to use someone else's money to care for poor people so you don't have to get involved yourselves.

tomder55 · Dec 29, 2020, 05:40 AM

as I do . There is no virtue in forced charity and none in promoting it .All the left is doing is saying their intent is to do good with other people's money .

As far as the Gospel goes ,forced giving through taxation does nothing to help the giver become more Christ-like.

As this site shows ;the people in the lower taxed states are much more generous in personal charitable giving .
TaxProf Blog (typepad.com)

And it does no one any good for a nation to be charitable by giving away money that does not exist .

jlisenbe · Dec 29, 2020, 07:16 AM

There is no virtue in forced charity and none in promoting it .All the left is doing is saying their intent is to do good with other people's money .

As far as the Gospel goes ,forced giving through taxation does nothing to help the giver become more Christ-like.

And it does no one any good for a nation to be charitable by giving away money that does not exist .

Sums it up quite well.