[paraclete]

you know ;you are right . The idea of paying staff must be a foreign concept for the like of Bolshevik Bernie. When you look at it that way ,he is being very generous . I'm sure Bernie's staff utilizes the old Soviet mantra

"As longas my boss pretends to pay me well, I will pretendto work hard."

and now you know why HC lost the election

[talaniman]

and now you know why HC lost the election

Poor minority turnout in key states and counties. Russians influence on social media? The war against establishment politicians?

[paraclete]

all excuses, the reality is your country wasn't ready for more of the same

[jlisenbe]

Russians influence on social media?

And don't forget all those UFO's.

[talaniman]

And don't forget all those UFO's.

You think aliens are watching us and placing bets on who wins amongst the human conflicts? Hmmm! In mythology the gods always helped their hero, in the movies too, so maybe you know more than you're telling. Spill it, before I place my bet!

[jlisenbe]

There is about as much evidence for Martian interference as there is for the Russkies colluding with Trump.

[tomder55]

Russians influence on social media?

Bwaaahaaa haa ! Evita spent more money on lunches than any Russian organization paidFacebook for ads and news feeds .

$46,000 was spent on Russian linked Facebook ads .That amounts to about 0.05 percent of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined.

[talaniman]

The amounts don't change the fact that the Russians invaded social media for the dufus, or he knew and has to date denied it publically multiple times.

[tomder55]

the facts are the the Ruskie pajama boys were doing it against both sides . They wanted to create chaos and the Dems in an effort to change the legitimate outcome gave them the chaos they seeked .

[talaniman]

The dufus was a pretty good chaos campaigner himself as I remember it, but the numbers say turnout in key states were down enough for the dufus to squeak through so the rest is history. Hey there is enough blame on both sides here that delivered us this outcome, but mostly we dropped the ball.

seeked-sought?

[Athos]

the facts are the the Ruskie pajama boys were doing it against both sides . They wanted to create chaos and the Dems in an effort to change the legitimate outcome gave them the chaos they seeked .

There are no facts the Russians were supporting HC. In fact, the opposite is true - as everybody on the planet knows by now, except for you.

They hacked the DNC, had the emails released, etc., etc., etc. It's only the far right that continues this baloney, and that's simply a tactic to accuse the other side of what your side has been accused of. Goebbels was a master at this, blaming the Jews for the very things he was doing.

[tomder55]

ummm even James Comey testified that the Ruskies attempted hacks at RNC sites ,but were less successful. Maybe that is because they weren't using home made servers hidden in their basements like Evita did.

[tomder55]

and besides . The observation was about "

Russians invaded social media" for Trump .I already pointed out that the pajama boy troll farms did not spend enough on social media to make a dent in the outcome .Besides Facebook and Twiiter ,their limited resources were used on Instagram,Youtube ,Pintarest etc. Their intent was

to exploit societal fractures, erode our trust in media entities and the information environment, and in government. They played both sides and their efforts did not amount to a hill of beans.

Brett Gordon and Florian Zettelmeyer of Northwestern University and two Facebook employees, Neha Bhargava and Dan Chapsky, published a paper
on the efficiency of 15 Facebook advertising campaigns. Their most interesting finding was that methods which look at how many people were exposed to an ad and how many bought a product ;tend to overestimate the true effect of ads.

The main reason? Many of the people exposed to an ad or a post about a product would have bought it anyway. It's no different with candidates or causes.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...white-Long.pdf

[talaniman]

There may be something to that Tom, as no matter what the dufus says or does those for him, stay with him. Repubs have NO choice but to back him no matter, what if they intend to survive any local election. Scary thought that 46% can beat 48%, but repubs have been working hard for years to find a way to hold on and overcome most of the country being against you.

Will 2020 be the same? Sure looks like that's the repub bet. If you imagine less than that 46% winning again, and the senate holding we may be in big trouble. TURNOUT is the key for us no doubt. We need that 50 or better to make the case for repub obstruction and antics. For sure 46% is not a mandate for anything but the dufus plunges ahead like it is.

[tomder55]

if the Dems pick someone from the freak show then Trump will get a majority as well as an electoral land slide . The only question will be if he has coat tails .You don't believe me ? Nixon went into 1972 guilty as hell and the Dems proceeded to challenge him with the most radical lefty in the field Nixon ,carried 49 states . And McGovern using today Dem standards was Joe Biden-like moderate .

You do understand the task in front of the Dems don't you ? Since WWII only 2 incumbent Presidents lost reelection .Carter and GHW Bush . The thing they have in common is that the economy was in deep recession .

So for the Dems to win they have to hope for a bad economy next year (that is most likely not going to happen ) OR successfully impeach Trump in the next 15 months .

That is why you are going to see their Hail Mary attempt tomorrow . They are all collectively doing novenas tonight praying that Mueller goes along with their game plan.

[talaniman]

If repubs can get the biggest freak ever to a win, then we must do the same whoever it is. I'm more interested in the senate. but if the dems define the Mueller Report with their questions then the facts come out. No I don't want the economy to tank to get rid of the dufus, but would love to have the economy improve, and get rid of the dufus. That would restore faith in my fellow countrymen and JUSTICE!

[jlisenbe]

That would restore faith in my fellow countrymen and JUSTICE!

To suggest that a vote for Hillary could in any way be perceived as a vote for justice would be to stretch the truth far past the breaking point.

[Wondergirl]

To suggest that a vote for Hillary could in any way be perceived as a vote for justice would be to stretch the truth far past the breaking point.

Huh? He didn't say anything about Hillary.

[talaniman]

If repubs can get the biggest freak ever to a win, then we must do the same whoever it is. I'm more interested in the senate. but if the dems define the Mueller Report with their questions then the facts come out. No I don't want the economy to tank to get rid of the dufus, but would love to have the economy improve, and get rid of the dufus. That would restore faith in my fellow countrymen and JUSTICE!

Sound very clear to me, but I can understand suffering from some derangement or another. LOL, JL thinks everyone is deranged as he may be, and to be fair he could be right...sort of. I have my moments, but what do you expect surrounded by loonies and NUTS!

Except you WG, always the voice of reason, and Athos grounded in objective logic. 8D Even JL is okay sometimes, he just sees Obama and HC everywhere.

[jlisenbe]

Huh? He didn't say anything about Hillary.

He said he would like to see Trump voted out which would be a "vote for justice." Now if a person had not voted for Trump, they would have voted for...guess who??? Wouldn't you think it was a pretty clear implication that voting for HC would have been a vote for justice?

JL thinks everyone is deranged as he may be, and to be fair he could be right...sort of.

That made me laugh. You might be closer to the truth than we would all like to think.