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Nov 27, 2014, 09:07 PM
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Really I accessed it from the same site that was running the ones you included in your post, I guess the URL isn't valid or perhaps the climate change lobby has struck again and destroyed the evidence
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Nov 28, 2014, 03:14 AM
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Nov 28, 2014, 08:32 AM
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Nov 28, 2014, 02:49 PM
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Are we going to talk HAARP again, karma,
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Nov 29, 2014, 01:47 AM
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It is from a reputable source. It's undeniable.
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Nov 29, 2014, 02:46 AM
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Tutt ,surprised you are playing along with that nonsense.
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Nov 29, 2014, 04:52 AM
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Nov 29, 2014, 07:03 AM
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Maybe the semantics is what confuses the debate. I call it POLLUTION plain and simple. We all know who does that don't we?
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Nov 29, 2014, 07:06 AM
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NK The real point is that with almost 2 decades of no warming, some true climate scientists have begun to rethink their assumptions and are breaking free of the bonds of the orthodoxy that has no place in science .
You on the other hand just double down on irrelevant nonsense . But it is what we have come to expect from you . Tutt usually doesn't sink to your levels .
Tal do you believe that C02 is pollution ?
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Nov 29, 2014, 10:39 AM
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duh yes it's toxic if we try to breathe pure C02 . However you breathe it every day and it hasn't killed you yet . It is present around 0.02 percent to 0.04 percent of the air you breathe . You falsely equate c02 with soot emission .Calling C02 a pollutant is what is unscientific .
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Nov 29, 2014, 12:08 PM
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I suppose that's why your local weather station gives out air quality warnings because it's no be deal what we breathe, nor if it's more dangerous to some than others. That's just the air, you cannot ignore the water, or earth either. All are but contributing factors of a larger environment.
Go ahead, kill the birds and bees and see what happens to flowers and trees. I don't expect you care for old folks and infants, or children either, huh? I suppose we could wear those useless facemasks like the Chinese do and go about business as usual!
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Nov 29, 2014, 12:58 PM
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air quality indexes monitor ground level ozone ,particulates ,carbon monoxide ,sulfur dioxide ,nitrogen dioxide .... not C02 . If you are saying we should reduced human emissions of those ,I quite agree . We don't need phony climate science to make that case .
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Nov 29, 2014, 01:16 PM
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We don't need phony climate scientist telling us there is nothing to see move along either Tom. The effects of man on his environment should not be so casually dismissed.
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Nov 29, 2014, 02:31 PM
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keep building them strawmen . No one is disputing the need to reduce pollution .That is why the EPA was created . They have done their jobs ,but with all government agencies ,they go looking for new dragons to sleigh . The premise of the AGW crowd ....now just known as "climate scientists " was not about pollution .It was that human emissions of CO2 were causing climate change ;specifically warming . Now 20 years of no warming ,so they shift their argument . You are learning from them as they go from 'global warming ' to climate change. They also went from % of the atmosphere to threating sounding words like 'metric tons' ..... and it's not C02 anymore ;just carbon . Carbon and carbon dioxide are not the same thing. The alarmists would have us believe they are. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant .
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Nov 29, 2014, 02:34 PM
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Tal the Chinese wear face masks because of particulate pollution, the particals in the air. Photochemical smog will kill you and there is a good reason for controlling emissions from coal burning and it doesn't have anything to do with CO2, but their photochemical smog doesn't just come from power stations but also from antiquated industrial processes and their methods of rubbish disposal. How could you be so niaive as to think they wear face masks to prevent CO2 inhalation?
We have to get rid of the motive garbage in this debate because behind some of the "facts" is an industrial and environmental lobby on both sides of the debate. The vapours from cigarette smoke are a far greater pollutant, but we haven't banned tobacco production, and yet there are those who want to ban coal production. This is illogical and the result of skewed thinking and political interference.
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Nov 29, 2014, 03:03 PM
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the Chinese wear face masks because of particulate pollution,
Actually most wear face masks because they are ill and do not wish to make others ill.
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