[smoothy]

well of course when did a right wing take responsibility for the failures of their leadershipno, rip off is the way to go, all the way to the bank

Maybe because we haven't had a leader as completely incompetent as the dufus in the white House the left considers a Messiah in more than the last 50 years.

[NeedKarma]

The most recent republican was in charge during the worst terrorist attack ever on US soil as well as the worst financial downturn ever. But facts just get in the way of your rhetoric.

[smoothy]

The most recent republican was in charge during the worst terrorist attack ever on US soil as well as the worst financial downturn ever. But facts just get in the way of your rhetoric.

Are you really that stupid? It appears so.

Becaause you are willfully ignorant of the Democrats involvement in everything that lead to those. But then, what can we expect from the Canadian School Systems anyway. THey gave up on teaching facts generations ago apparently.

Bill Clinton holds FULL responsibility for OBL running free... and the Democrat Kabul... inCluding Obama played a MAJOR part in setting up the Financial Meltdown... all well established FACTS... But then its also well established... you have no use for facts, they get in the way of your rants.


And incidently...despite Liberals claims to the contrary....the recession isn't over....and Obamas own policies have made sure it would keep dragging on as long as possible. THats Obamas fault.....not Bushes fault.



THe worst day under Bush was far better than the best day under OBama the last almost 6.5 years. BUt then A Canadian wouldn't know that...go back to watching Dudley-Do-Right.

[NeedKarma]

Are you really that stupid?

No but you seem to be.
The meltdown happened before Obama, here are some facts: Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not sure what Obama did since he wasn't in a position to make federal legislation.

Not sure why you attack me personally or the canadian education system for that matter. I guess small minds need to find something to attack.

I see you are going back and editing your posts again. <sigh> I guess you have nothing better to do.

[NeedKarma]

THe worst day under Bush was far better

So you celebrate the deaths of 3,000 of your fellow americans? That's cold.

[talaniman]

You holler but don't fix, just blame the other guy. That's no solution Smoothy given that repeating Fox talking points doesn't translate into legislation that helps anyone but rich guys. Keep shoveling money at Mitt and his boys while you sing his praises when he gets back from visiting his money he is socking away overseas.

You have made greed a virtue, and a right, and slavery a capitalistic business model. All those former middle class people reduced to poverty to preserve the bottomline.

[smoothy]

No but you seem to be.
The meltdown happened before Obama, here are some facts: Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not sure what Obama did since he wasn't in a position to make federal legislation.

Not sure why you attack me personally or the canadian education system for that matter. I guess small minds need to find something to attack.

I see you are going back and editing your posts again. <sigh> I guess you have nothing better to do.

Are most Canadians as clueless as you seem to be? I certainly hope not.

[smoothy]

You holler but don't fix, just blame the other guy. That's no solution Smoothy given that repeating Fox talking points doesn't translate into legislation that helps anyone but rich guys. Keep shoveling money at Mitt and his boys while you sing his praises when he gets back from visiting his money he is socking away overseas.

You have made greed a virtue, and a right, and slavery a capitalistic business model. All those former middle class people reduced to poverty to preserve the bottomline.

WHen you have brain damaged people Like Harry Ried prancing aroung like Napoleon... acting like he alone is in the Senate... then nothing CAN be fixed.

Obama couldn't run a sidewalk lemonade stand without bankrupting it. Mitt unlike most Democrat career polititians at least thas successfully run a business.and a state. Obama has done neither.

[talaniman]

King Mitt throws people out of work and bankrupts companies to sell on the cheap to another rich guy for his profits. Still burns right wing butt he failed to win his election.

[paraclete]

Karma you have to get in smoothy's mind Bill Clintooon is responsible for everything apparently because his cruise missiles missed allowing OBL to make a comeback and just because Obama advocated for loans to the poor he is responsible for the GFC, he forgets the GFC was caused by greed, the greed of the bankers, the greed of Wall Street, Obama's response might have been over the top but they don't have a depression, just a recession and I have news for them, it took Japan ten years to get any sort of real recovery going and it might take america just as long and that is because of failed trade policies and you can't blame Obama for that but give him time, he is going down the same disasterous path..

the problems with the american economy are structural and the reasons of that go back a long way. It is the price of empire, when empires go into decline so does the economy. America was the empire of the twentieth century, time to realise it and move on, otherwise you will become like Mussolini, trying to revive past glories

[tomder55]

"Electronic menus that replace physical beings is nothing new. Microsoft has been pushing its touchscreen computer, the Surface, which has mostly been a big hit at Vegas casinos, hotels, and clubs"

completely besides the point . Micky Ds in the US has not adopted them even though they are available in Europe and Aussie. The reason has been that there was no great reason to switch to them as long as their labor costs were in line. Min wage increases will be the deciding factor because of the labor expenses. Who suffers ? People looking for start up jobs. Hate to break it to the libs here ;but a job flipping burgers at Micky Ds was never intended to be a lifetime position.

[talaniman]

In light of the recent shifting of middle class jobs overseas no job is strictly a start up job, or just for teenagers any more. A fact you conservatives try to ignore, in search for the cheapest labor. Wait until Romney raids YOUR pension funds.

Maybe way back when McDonalds started it wasn't intended to be a job to actually live off of, but it's is now. Instead of being grateful you still have YOUR job, you put down folks who need one when there are few of them to be had in the first place.

Conservative thinking all the way. (From some anyway.............lots of conservative poor people out there!)

[NeedKarma]

completely besides the point .

No it isn't. It's technology that's making it's way into retail, regardless of location or minimum wage laws. For you to say that's "it's not McDonalds so it's irrelevant" is intellectually dishonest.

[talaniman]

Grocery stores have had self check out for a decade now. Everyone has a card swipe.

[tomder55]

You're delusional if you think there is no connection. I'm not saying that the technology didn't exist. I'm saying that the conversion will accelerate if employers find it saves them money..

Forget Micky d's . The small mom and pop bodega will install it if it's cost efficient ;and driving up min wage 40% (20 % above the adjust inflation rate since 1968 );and to index it to the rate of inflation in the future , will guarantee that the conversion will be hastened. To put it simply ;it will worsen the competitive position of low skill workers vs. machines.

http://econweb.tamu.edu/jmeer/Meer_W...nimum_Wage.pdf

These low skilled jobs are going to disappear anyway.... it's the speed of the conversion that is at issue .

[NeedKarma]

Ok, let's follow your theory. Give me a country with, in your opinion, an acceptable minimum wage.

[talaniman]

Nice study, except the factor of a grumbling belly overrides empirical STUDIES. You don't need a study to know subsidizing wages for billion dollar companies is CRAZY, given the train of doing business is felt locally, while what they sell cheaply here is made in an even cheaper market environment.

Slower growth maybe but that's not in itself a bad thing at all, since we define growth as profits from one point to the next on a specific time line. Consistent growth would be preferable to fluctuating market conditions artificially applied unevenly as a result of demand. Never heard of Henry Ford huh? He created a demand with balancing affordability with revenue sharing in the form of wages, and got PHAT doing it.

I respectfully submit that as evidence of a better business model than chasing cheap labor and undervaluing labor I the first place. Ignoring the source of DEMAND in the business model in has historically led to hard restriction in circulation that keep supplies afloat and price consistent.

Wages have never led to global financial meltdowns, GREED always has, so expect more, no matter if wages are reduced or restricted. I am a capitalist too, Tom, and know the value of consistent reliable revenue streams over the get rich quick now tactic. That's not capitalism it's greed.

[paraclete]

Wages have never led to global financial meltdowns, GREED always has, so expect more, no matter if wages are reduced or restricted. I am a capitalist too, Tom, and know the value of consistent reliable revenue streams over the get rich quick now tactic. That's not capitalism it's greed.

Yes Tal but all Tom and his ilk know is the greed economy and they think it actually works instead of creating the situation that exists today. The fact is it works for a few privileged individuals and now your greatest competitor, the chinese have bought into this business model and are out competing you at it while the "capitalists" sit around and moan about lower wages and high taxes

[smoothy]

BIll Clinton is who got the offshoring in high gear... THank the democrat party.

I set up a number of different datacenters based in this region that were designed for low paid people in several parts of India to do jobs Middle class Americans used to do. In fact a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly

[Wondergirl]

a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly

But none under Bush?